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Old 09-05-2013, 11:29 AM   #1
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Not impressed with the Camano 31

I had my mind set on buying a Camano 31 so I chartered one a few weeks ago on the Chesapeake Bay and I have to say I was not impressed with the boat.

When I compare it to another yacht we used to charter, a twin diesel Bayliner 3587, it fell way short on luxury.

On performance, it was excellent on fuel mileage, but stability was poor. One day we had 4-5 foot seas and when the waves were hitting us from the side we rocked very violently. Also anchored when boats would go by we rocked way too much.

The Camano boat also did not have an auto pilot which seems essential for a slow moving trawler.

The Camano I chartered was a 1997 I believe, did anything improve on the early to mid 2000 models?
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Old 09-05-2013, 11:40 AM   #2
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I would wonder how the Bayliner would have performed in those same 4-5 foot beam seas? Those are some challenging conditions for almost any boat.

It's easy to understand your comparison of the "creature comforts" of the 36-foot Bayliner being superior to those of the 31-foot Camano. Those creature comforts are a Bayliner hallmark. If there are any people around with issues regarding Bayliner boats, those issues aren't usually about the amount of twinkle, bling. and convenience built into the design. Some have said, with some justification, that Bayliner designs an interior and then figures out how to get a hull around it. That's not entirely a bad thing, (and based on sales figures, it certainly appeals to a lot of people) but Camanos will approach the process from almost the exact opposite perspective.

There isn't going to be a close comparison between those two boats. If you prefer the larger Bayliner, you have lots of company. They probably sell more Bayliners in six months than Camano has sold in the firm's entire history. :-)
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Old 09-05-2013, 11:54 AM   #3
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Being a long term Bayliner owner I have to say that you are not comparing apples to apples.

The Bayliner 3587 is 5 feet longer, and is an aft cabin design, vs the Camano's design having a cockpit instead.
Even if they were the same length the Bayliners aft cabin design is allot more roomy. All aft cabin designs are more roomy that cockpit designs.

I've never actually been on a Comano, but I've seen them at the dock and like what I saw.

If I were in the market for a trawler speed 30' boat the Camano would be on a short list of boats to consider. That list would include the Willard, and some of the TT's I've seen for sale.
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:18 PM   #4
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I agree with Kevin, but having had the luxury of being aboard a Camano 31, I have to agree that it lacks in creature comfort. It's kind of the Hummer of that size boat market. It's hell bent for stout but isn't built for bling.

As to the beam seas rocking the Camano, I think any boat would do the same thing. I think the Camano, given it's weight, might be a bit less tippy than most boats of that size and beam.
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:51 PM   #5
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The Camano is really a 28' hull with the integral boarding platform making up the rest. Definitely apples and oranges.
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:52 PM   #6
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Not too long ago I was on a Nordhavn 86. It did not rock in a beam sea as compared to my smallish DF 48 and it had many more creature comforts. Also it had two radars and dual APs. And 3 big freezers. Now if only I could get Norhern Spy to Captain it for me ------- and pay the bank loan off too!!

Comparos on boats can be endless, maybe a Nordhavn 76 would be fairer test
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Old 09-05-2013, 02:34 PM   #7
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The Camano is a light boat and for it's speed it's very efficient but one shouldn't expect a Cadilac ride. Quick motions are the mark of a light boat but I'll bet you'd be hard pressed to find a comparable size boat that would go forth on less fuel at 12-14 knots.

They look really good too ... and from both ends.
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Old 09-05-2013, 02:35 PM   #8
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I had my mind set on buying a Camano 31 so I chartered one a few weeks ago on the Chesapeake Bay and I have to say I was not impressed with the boat.
Sometimes in life, finding out what you don't need or want is just as important as finding what you do need or want. Good on you to charter first.
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Old 09-05-2013, 04:13 PM   #9
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Now if only I could get Norhern Spy to Captain it for me ------- and pay the bank loan off too!!
We live in fortuitous times Tom...

I received an email just this morning from a Nigerian lawyer who is looking for assistance getting a princesses fortune out of Africa.

If that doesn't pan out, a few years ago in Mexico, I met this guy who has a friend, who's cousin is an international investor. He will GIVE me a Nordhavn! All I have to do is deliver it from Colombia to Miami!
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Bayliner 3587 displacement 20,000lb
camano 31 10,000lb
your comparing apples to grapes

but maybe the prices are similar?

Larger bayliners do seem to have a good bang for the buck ratio.
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Ultimately it doesn't matter apples to apples...if the other boat rode better than the Camano, then that's what he should be looking for...if it's bigger or costs more and has a nicer look/feel...then that's the direction he should head.

If budget or otherwise says smaller..than he has a fallback but already knows he will be disappointed...sounds kinda like many boat comparisons when shopping around and not being "model locked"....
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Sometimes in life, finding out what you don't need or want is just as important as finding what you do need or want. Good on you to charter first.
I couldn't agree more. It sounds like you got more than your moneys worth chartering. Imagine buying the boat then discovering you don't like it? Kudos for being one of the few wise enough to charter before leaping into larger boat ownership.
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Yes, perhaps I think I'm the kind of guy who wants to rough it without shower stall or generator (Camano) but when the rubber meets the road I'm really not, I'd rather have more amenities. Especially if I'm going to be spending multiple weeks at a time or maybe even months coastal cruising in retirement!
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Yes, perhaps I think I'm the kind of guy who wants to rough it without shower stall or generator (Camano) but when the rubber meets the road I'm really not, I'd rather have more amenities. Especially if I'm going to be spending multiple weeks at a time or maybe even months coastal cruising in retirement!
Well said. Being comfortable on board is key to our enjoyment as full time liveaboards.

We had a 4087 (same as the 3587 but with a cockpit) and it was a great boat.
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My biggest knock against the Camano is the lack of side decks. I would not own one based solely on that.
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I am thinking my next charter will be a Mainship 34 trawler, Southwest Florida yachts has one for charter.

There is also a Albin 36 trawler for charter out of Annapolis.
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My biggest knock against the Camano is the lack of side decks. I would not own one based solely on that.
These don't qualify huh, John?
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No they don't. This does:

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