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Old 10-06-2018, 11:59 AM   #1
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Help! Cutlass bearing question

Guys,

My boat is for sale and during the haulout the surveyor found a slight bit of movement in the prop. He diagnosed it as needing a cutlass bearing.

Now myself and the potential buyer are trying to figure out how much it would cost to get it done.

The shaft is 1.5 inches and goes into the keel. How involved a process is this?

Is it a $500 job or a $5K job!? Other than that my boat surveys came back with flying colors. The buyer even had a separate engine done.

Thanks so much ! Please feel free to call or text me. We're trying to get this sorted out ASAP (like today). Im gonna call some local marinas today but I think they may be closed.

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Old 10-06-2018, 12:08 PM   #2
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Your best bet would be ask the surveyor for his opinion on cost or better yet call a local boatyard and ask them. A guess would be the cost of a haulout plus a few hours labor.
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Your best bet would be ask the surveyor for his opinion on cost or better yet call a local boatyard and ask them. A guess would be the cost of a haulout plus a few hours labor.
We did that. He couldn't give me a ballpark estimate and now most places are closed til Tuesday. Aaargh!
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Jason,
They told me that last time we hauled.
Very small amount of of movement. I told them no thanks.
There was movement but less than 1/32”.
I’ll look at it next time we haul.

Another way to look at this is that the surveyor is working for the buyer. And the buyer thinks the longer the list of faults found with the boat the cheaper it will get. Tell them “this is not a fault. This is normal wear”.
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Old 10-06-2018, 01:16 PM   #5
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You take the shaft out so you can get a puller on the bearing. And if the shaft won't clear the rudder, you take the rudder out. That's why you see some rudders with a hole.

Enclosed bearings like this need forced water lubrication. Usually it comes from diverting some of the exhaust water, but sometimes the builder adds a scoop on the keel forward of the bearing with a passage or plumbing directed to the front of the bearing. If the bearing doesn't have lubrication it will just wear out again.
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Jason,
They told me that last time we hauled.
Very small amount of of movement. I told them no thanks.
There was movement but less than 1/32”.
I’ll look at it next time we haul.

Another way to look at this is that the surveyor is working for the buyer. And the buyer thinks the longer the list of faults found with the boat the cheaper it will get. Tell them “this is not a fault. This is normal wear”.
I agree with you. But the buyer of my boat wants to do a 2500 mile trip next spring and wants to have everything fixed. I don't blame him.
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Somewheres between $500 and $5000.

Depends on how the bearing is held in your keel.

Doesnt look like there is a srparate bearing carrier....but either setup usually requires the shaft to be pulled. If the shaft clears the rudder as pointed out earlier good...if not there's possibly another large addition to the project.

So it may take a whole day just to get the bearing out after taking the prop off, shaft out and dropping the rudder, then a whole day to reassemble.

There's a couple grand in labor alone possibly.

I did mine last summer and it took me a day and a half. I have a hole in my rudder so I avoided that problem.
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Unless someone that owns a Camano and has replaced the bearing, or a mechanic that has actually changed one on a Camano comments....we are all just pontificating.
I recently changed one on a Volvo powered 42ft sailboat. Shaft did not have to come out, simply pulled the prop. Was just over $250 parts and labour.
If the rudder doesn’t need dropped...great!
If it needs dropped...ouch!
Until that is known....we are all just guessing.
Hope for your sake it’s an easy swap out.
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Mine cost about $1500. The rudder had to be dropped, the threading in the stern tube had to be redone and the Cutlass bearing turned on a lathe to fit the diameter of the tube. So I would guess yours would be a whiole lot less. Incidentally, my prop is 44". Oh yes, and there is a forward and stern bearing, not just one.
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Get a second opinion.
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Unless someone that owns a Camano and has replaced the bearing, or a mechanic that has actually changed one on a Camano comments....we are all just pontificating.
I recently changed one on a Volvo powered 42ft sailboat. Shaft did not have to come out, simply pulled the prop. Was just over $250 parts and labour.
If the rudder doesnít need dropped...great!
If it needs dropped...ouch!
Until that is known....we are all just guessing.
Hope for your sake itís an easy swap out.
Was your cutlass in the keel or a strut?
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All rubber (or whatever that hard rubber like material is) no brass or bronze sleeve
60hp Volvo
Just aft of keel
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I called so many places today and nobody was there on a Saturday. I probably left about 10 voicemails. Now I just have to wait til Tuesday.....FRUSTRATING.
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From your pictures, it's drop the keel shoe, drop the rudder, pull the shaft from the flange at the transmission, and then pull the cutlass bearing after removing the retaining screws. Once you do it, it's a relatively easy procedure to repeat in the future, I have done mine twice in the past six years.

With luck, you can pull the cutlass bearing with a slide hammer, if unlucky it may have to be cut out with a sawzall. It depends on how tightly fit the cutlass is in the stern tube. My shaft is also 1 1/2" and the bearing is a Duramax "BITE". If you have to cut it out, some minor epoxy repair to the stern tube may be needed, lots of U-tube video's on the procedure available.

Good luck, the cost is in the labor and time, not in the parts...
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Cutless Bearing Clearance

You never want zero clearance, and even the new clearance is a function of shaft size.

In my experience on my 32', when you get over .030" free play on a shaft around 1 1/2", or if there is noticeable vibration, its time.
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When calling around, find a yard that routinely does them, such as a waterman's yard. This isn't that common a job for recreational yards as most boats get used so little. A yard that specializes in waterman (commercial fisherman) tend to do this job more frequently based on boat use. An experienced yard should be able to do it in 8 to 16 hours depending on difficulty of removing the shaft and possibly the rudder. While the yard I use charges $60 per hour, I'm guessing in Massachusetts you will likely pay more like $100 to $125 per hour. Add to that a haulout cost and maybe $300 for the bearing. $1,500 to $3,500 would be my guess. Find a yard that does very few of these and you may be looking at $5,000.

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When calling around, find a yard that routinely does them, such as a waterman's yard. This isn't that common a job for recreational yards as most boats get used so little. A yard that specializes in waterman (commercial fisherman) tend to do this job more frequently based on boat use. An experienced yard should be able to do it in 8 to 16 hours depending on difficulty of removing the shaft and possibly the rudder. While the yard I use charges $60 per hour, I'm guessing in Massachusetts you will likely pay more like $100 to $125 per hour. Add to that a haulout cost and maybe $300 for the bearing. $1,500 to $3,500 would be my guess. Find a yard that does very few of these and you may be looking at $5,000.

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Scott's Cove marina in Chance, MD. How much does your boat weigh?

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Scott's Cove marina in Chance, MD. How much does your boat weigh?

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Hi Jason
Curious if you got any quotes back from mechanics experienced with the Camano and if so, what the price spreads were?
Hope it plays out ok for you.
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