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Old 08-07-2018, 03:43 PM   #1
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Helmsman 38E V 43

Been on the lookout for a new trawler and settling on the 38E or 43, however the 38E has only one cabin but great price point and size versus 43, 2 cabins perhaps too large and + $100K. Not really sure how well the 38 sleeps in pilot house/cabin areas? Assume either trawler would need to add approximately $100K for genny, reverse cycle air, engine upgrade to 380, electronics and perhaps Seakeeper as wife doesn’t love the rocking.

Would appreciate any wisdom on how you arrived at your choice. Thank you.
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I don't own a Helmsman so I'm looking forward to hearing from some of the new owners. I did go out to Seattle earlier this year and toured the 38. Its a nice sized boat. What I loved about it was the separate toilet and shower. That could make me want the 38 over the 43 right there. The layout with the day head makes sleeping another couple on the convertible dinette very doable. They mentioned being able to curtain off the sleeping area from the galley and that makes a lot of sense. You may be a little high on the upgrades although the Seakeeper will add a lot to the price.
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Old 08-07-2018, 07:35 PM   #3
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Been on the lookout for a new trawler and settling on the 38E or 43, however the 38E has only one cabin but great price point and size versus 43, 2 cabins perhaps too large and + $100K. Not really sure how well the 38 sleeps in pilot house/cabin areas? Assume either trawler would need to add approximately $100K for genny, reverse cycle air, engine upgrade to 380, electronics and perhaps Seakeeper as wife doesn’t love the rocking.

Would appreciate any wisdom on how you arrived at your choice. Thank you.

The Helmsman 38 is a nice boat. I think the big question is whether you want that extra cabin or not. The 43 would give you that extra cabin as well as a bit more room. However as you point out, it is a bit bigger which means more long term costs over the 38.



When my wife and I were looking we opted to go for a boat with a 2nd cabin to make it easier to take our adult kids with us. If we didn't anticipate wanting to take others, we would have gone smaller. We bought a used North Pacific 43.


So I'd say think about that second cabin a lot. If you decide that you like the idea of a 2nd cabin, I'd also take a look at the North Pacific 45. It doesn't have the day head of the Helmsman but I REALLY like that boat, it is the next evolution of my North Pacific 43. I would go with the two cabin one head option but they have a two cabin two head option that has a wet head off the master.


Also, think about the engine. I happen to have the 380hp Cummins QSB 5.9L engine in my boat. The original owner wanted to upgrade to the 380hp over the 330hp which was standard. The 380hp is fine and the extra HP isn't a problem, but I think the original owner wasted his money. The 43 would perform just fine with the original 330. Now I think the NP45 are coming with a 355 6.3L? I would be plenty. I think the Helmsman would be fine with their standard engine.


A SeaKeeper would be nice in your waters if your Wife does't like too much motion. A lot of money however....
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Been on the lookout for a new trawler and settling on the 38E or 43, however the 38E has only one cabin but great price point and size versus 43, 2 cabins perhaps too large and + $100K. Not really sure how well the 38 sleeps in pilot house/cabin areas? Assume either trawler would need to add approximately $100K for genny, reverse cycle air, engine upgrade to 380, electronics and perhaps Seakeeper as wife doesn’t love the rocking.

Would appreciate any wisdom on how you arrived at your choice. Thank you.
Having almost built the H43 only to decide on theH38 and work with Scott on what I now thebH38E I can provide my opinion. The biggest reason we returned to 38 was our 90% rule that confirmed we didn't need a second bedroom so why pay an extra $100k? The other factor was the beam to length ratio with the H38 winning again. Our logic on the second bedroom is that with our custom salon design two guests could sleep comfortably and have the day head all to themselves. No need for the second bedroom. The boats come so well equipped you don't need $100k to finish them. Again, these are the best "value" boats available today (my opinion) and why we are even considering building another one. Feel free to contact me directly with questions. John
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They are both great boats, and my wife and I are very pleased with our decision.

We routinely use the forward and second cabin, along with the pilot house and aft seating area (fill in cushions) to sleep 6-7 people. Works great.

We also like the extra volume of the 43 in general.

The Seakeeper was a very good investment because we go off shore often, including traveling through the night so everyone can sleep better when underway. It is also nice when cruising in the bay to knock down the boat wakes. Just makes things more comfortable in general.
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JIMDAVI,


You will want to consider the overall cost increases of the 43 compared to the 38. After the initial purchase price, your insurance, dockage, maintenance, upgrades & equipment will all cost more. Operating costs would probably be about the same. Don't forget you won't be able to use a 40' slip either which can limit where you go! Both vessels can convert to pilothouse & cabin sleeping so the 43 only has the 2nd stateroom as an advantage here however, to put it nicely that stateroom is "challenging". Having said all that, the 43 has more storage, engine room, lazarette space, upper deck and overall more cabin room. If you plan to entertain more than another couple on a regular basis, you will appreciate the larger spaces.


I think your $100K upgrade number was spot on when considering a seakeeper in the mix.
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I want to address my previous statement regarding the 43's 2nd stateroom. I understand, from a reliable source, that stateroom has recently been redesigned adding more space and creature comforts....I wouldn't expect anything less from this exceptional builder! These boats are #1 on my list when I switch over to the trawler life.
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Thanks everyone for your valuable input.
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Hi jimdavi,

We are currently having a 43 built. We opted for the 43 as we liked the extra room it offered as we entertain guests quite often.

Something that hasn't been talked about so far is the additional waterline length and the extra 5k+ pounds of weight in the 43. Those coupled with the higher freeboard, and deeper hull will make for a more solid ride when the seas get a bit snotty.

Also, the 43 has had a number of refinements that take an already great recipe, and build upon it!
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Ad if your decision wasn't tough enough between the H38 and H43 you can now consider the all new H46! All great choices. I'm sure if we all wait long enough there will be even more choices in the years ahead.

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