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Old 01-25-2019, 09:17 PM   #1
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H46 Our Next Journey

As we look forward to our next journey we do so with confidence in the builder, high expectations in the boat and renewed level of commitment to take on the challenges of long passages offshore.

While this is a 180 degree turn from our previous plans of just four years ago when I planned to retire early and spend a couple of years cruising the ICW it does give us a second chance to accomplish a dream.

A little history on us includes looking back 15 years when we discovered trawlers and offshore passages my dream (Mary put up with me) was to cruise from San Diego up to Alaska then south to Cabo. Unfortunately life got in the way and things didn't work out despite owning the boats designed to accomplish this journey in comfort. Fast forward to the present and call it fate or good fortune but some how we got a second chance. All we need now is the right boat to safely carry us thousands of miles in open ocean with few stops between horizons.

This brings us to the new H46 and our start of another journey to explore this new boat design and outfitting it to meet our needs. Next week I will meet with Scott and representatives from the yard to start discussions and planning.

As with our incredible H38E and our posts on TF that included over 100k views we hope those who follow us enjoy this new thread.


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Old 01-25-2019, 10:31 PM   #2
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What is an H46? God I hate abbreviations.

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Old 01-25-2019, 11:33 PM   #3
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Maybe a Helmsman 46? I am just guessing. I agree that people should use the proper name at least the first time they refer to the boat, if just as a courtesy to others.
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John, I always liked the looks of ther helmsman boats.

I’ve watched you build and then sell I’m thinking two Nordhavn’s and now a Helmsman. Reading about your boat building adventures makes for fantastic entertainment on my part, and I suspect that it somehow fulfills your boating need, so it is very good!

Myself, I joined TF back in 2011 looking for a Coastal Cruiser to retire on and cruise the West Coast Alaska to Mexico. I settled on a Bayliner 4788 that fall and have spent the time since then fitting it out, paying for it, and skill building to make my journey.

Now I’m in the home stretch with retirement less than two years away. I’m even starting spanish lessons and studying routes, anchorages and weather patterns along the Baja Coast and the sea of Cortez in preparation.

All I can do is wish you the best of experiences, and I will continue to read your boat building threads with interest. When you get the boat you choose to go cruising built and fitted out, perhaps we can share an anchorage and a beer down south.
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Old 01-26-2019, 10:32 AM   #5
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What is an H46? God I hate abbreviations.

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Sorry about that, H46 stands for the new Helmsman 46' trawler which is based on the proven Helmsman 38 and 43 trawlers.
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Morning John, I am looking forward to following your journey.
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Morning John, I am looking forward to following your journey.
Thanks Bill, I'm sure I will be bouncing ideas off you and leveraging your experiences with your new boat to help us dial in the design and features. Weather forecast looks promising tomorrow and we thinking about a short run up to Mission Bay for the day, any chance you will be out cruising around?

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Welcome back with the new boat. Take and post pics of your trip and the boat in and around Mission Bay. I could use some inspiration to get me through this winter.
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John, I always liked the looks of ther helmsman boats.

Iíve watched you build and then sell Iím thinking two Nordhavnís and now a Helmsman. Reading about your boat building adventures makes for fantastic entertainment on my part, and I suspect that it somehow fulfills your boating need, so it is very good!

Myself, I joined TF back in 2011 looking for a Coastal Cruiser to retire on and cruise the West Coast Alaska to Mexico. I settled on a Bayliner 4788 that fall and have spent the time since then fitting it out, paying for it, and skill building to make my journey.

Now Iím in the home stretch with retirement less than two years away. Iím even starting spanish lessons and studying routes, anchorages and weather patterns along the Baja Coast and the sea of Cortez in preparation.

All I can do is wish you the best of experiences, and I will continue to read your boat building threads with interest. When you get the boat you choose to go cruising built and fitted out, perhaps we can share an anchorage and a beer down south.
Kevin, the first one (will have to be a margarita since we don't drink beer) is on me. Looking forward to seeing everything work out this time for us and enjoying that cold one.

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Looking at the specs

One of the great things about planning for and building a new boat is reviewing and understanding the design specifications and how they support the intended use of the boat. I'm no expert and would never claim to be but I do enjoy this part of the process and learn a little more on every boat. This is also where you have to trust the builder and rely on him / her for their professional opinion and expertise. Needless to say this is why we are exploring the H46, we trust Scott and the yard. I cannot say enough about the quality of our H38 and to be honest if we could afford to keep her and build the H46 for Mexico we would.

An update on our plans for the new boat includes Mary and I taking her to Cabo by ourselves and leaving the boat there for a year or two while we fly back and forth and explore the Sea of Cortez. Then possibly take her south to the west coast ports of Mexico before taking her back to Cabo and hiring a captain to bring her home to San Diego.

While this itinerary has been accomplished by many sail boaters and FD hull trawlers with the range as well as some larger power boaters we will be pushing ourselves especially on open ocean multiple overnight passages. For the most part I have to plan all trips as though I'm single handling so not to place to much responsibility on Mary. She is fine performing watches but if things go wrong I'm on my own. Insuring we have the right boat, probably equipped with back up systems is critical and a 180 from our current boat.

With this baseline in mind I had the pleasure to meet with Scott and Wilson from the Helmsman yard to discuss our plans and how we could spec out the boat to meet the mission. This was the first time I meet Wilson and I was very impressed with knowledge of every aspect on all Helmsman boats. We discussed a few items on our current boat and enhancements he has been incorporating the past couple of years to insure he delivers the best boat possible. Any builder who continues to refine and enhance their product is in my opinion a builder who will be around for a long time.

Next post will focus on specific items discussed in our boat.
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One of the great things about planning for and building a new boat is reviewing and understanding the design specifications and how they support the intended use of the boat. I'm no expert and would never claim to be but I do enjoy this part of the process and learn a little more on every boat. This is also where you have to trust the builder and rely on him / her for their professional opinion and expertise. Needless to say this is why we are exploring the H46, we trust Scott and the yard. I cannot say enough about the quality of our H38 and to be honest if we could afford to keep her and build the H46 for Mexico we would.

An update on our plans for the new boat includes Mary and I taking her to Cabo by ourselves and leaving the boat there for a year or two while we fly back and forth and explore the Sea of Cortez. Then possibly take her south to the west coast ports of Mexico before taking her back to Cabo and hiring a captain to bring her home to San Diego.

While this itinerary has been accomplished by many sail boaters and FD hull trawlers with the range as well as some larger power boaters we will be pushing ourselves especially on open ocean multiple overnight passages. For the most part I have to plan all trips as though I'm single handling so not to place to much responsibility on Mary. She is fine performing watches but if things go wrong I'm on my own. Insuring we have the right boat, probably equipped with back up systems is critical and a 180 from our current boat.

With this baseline in mind I had the pleasure to meet with Scott and Wilson from the Helmsman yard to discuss our plans and how we could spec out the boat to meet the mission. This was the first time I meet Wilson and I was very impressed with knowledge of every aspect on all Helmsman boats. We discussed a few items on our current boat and enhancements he has been incorporating the past couple of years to insure he delivers the best boat possible. Any builder who continues to refine and enhance their product is in my opinion a builder who will be around for a long time.

Next post will focus on specific items discussed in our boat.
Your plan for taking your boat to the southern end of the Baja Pensulia is as you know easily doable. The only issue you might face is insurance and risk related during the summer months.

My plan is to go south, and then come back up into America as summer progresses. Iíve never made the trip, but the best I can figure out is that you want to leave the Cabo area and head north in the early spring before the summer weather patterns set in and make for strong norhterlies (IE the Baja Bash). There are some very good articles about this on the net, and Sea magazine had a good article utlining how a powerboat can make the trip north avoiding all but one overnight run. My thought is that by the first of March Iíll be looking at going north. That puts me in the right places for summer cruising up north.

Looking forward to seeing your boat as it comes together!
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Having followed you for many years across the Nordhavn sites and this one. I need to ask you.

Can you let us know if you have ANY affiliation with a manufacturer or brokerage or boat marketing business?

Or are you totally an individual, totally separated from any financial ties to the boating industry?
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Having followed you for many years across the Nordhavn sites and this one. I need to ask you.

Can you let us know if you have ANY affiliation with a manufacturer or brokerage or boat marketing business?

Or are you totally an individual, totally separated from any financial ties to the boating industry?
Are you asking John?
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For that trip, I would be looking hard at fuel capacity and range. We joined the Cubar 2017 trip, and a number of boats needed to fuel once or twice along the way. But the stops are pretty desolate, with pretty much nothing from Ensenada to Cabo. Fueling is via a couple of guys, one or two barrels, and a hand pump, all from a panga. For the Cubar run this was all arranged ahead of time, but there were still discrepancies around how much fuel people actually got. I would not want to do it on my own, and was thankful to not need fuel to make it all the way down. So my only suggestion would be to go slow and carry enough fuel, or go with the Cubar so fuel is arranged in advance.
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For that trip, I would be looking hard at fuel capacity and range. We joined the Cubar 2017 trip, and a number of boats needed to fuel once or twice along the way. But the stops are pretty desolate, with pretty much nothing from Ensenada to Cabo. Fueling is via a couple of guys, one or two barrels, and a hand pump, all from a panga. For the Cubar run this was all arranged ahead of time, but there were still discrepancies around how much fuel people actually got. I would not want to do it on my own, and was thankful to not need fuel to make it all the way down. So my only suggestion would be to go slow and carry enough fuel, or go with the Cubar so fuel is arranged in advance.
It sounds like you have seen folks take on fuel in Turtle Bay, something I have not seen myself. For my boat I will need fuel there. It may not be plesant but itís doable i have again read but not seen. I also belive that you can pull up to the warf and they will drop a hose to you. That might seem like a challenge but we do that in Alaska in several of the smaller villages iíve been too.
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Having followed you for many years across the Nordhavn sites and this one. I need to ask you.

Can you let us know if you have ANY affiliation with a manufacturer or brokerage or boat marketing business?

Or are you totally an individual, totally separated from any financial ties to the boating industry?
Fair question and not the first time I have been asked. If you consider compensation I have received for writing articles published in boating magazines, the sale of my book (no longer available) or assisting a builder with showing my boat in a show when no other models are available then yes. As you already mentioned i have been boating a long time (my entire life) and enjoy writing about our different boats starting many years ago with our 22' Mako in a free publication. That lead to our three Nordhavns and a few articles in different magazines. Then I wrote and self published a small book focused living aboard which was actually therapy for me while dealing with Mary's health issues that keep us sideline for a few years. Soon after I discovered TF which has been great fun. Bottom line is that I enjoy recreational boating and sharing our adventures with others. I'm surprised with the 100,000 plus views on our last thread and look forward to the same dialogs and help on this one. If someone can benefit from what we write about or learn from our mistakes then great. It's also no secret that if I have something factual and not flattering about one of my boats I talk about openly despite what the builder may think. Hope this answers your question.
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Fair question and not the first time I have been asked. If you consider compensation I have received for writing articles published in boating magazines, the sale of my book (no longer available) or assisting a builder with showing my boat in a show when no other models are available then yes. As you already mentioned i have been boating a long time (my entire life) and enjoy writing about our different boats starting many years ago with our 22' Mako in a free publication. That lead to our three Nordhavns and a few articles in different magazines. Then I wrote and self published a small book focused living aboard which was actually therapy for me while dealing with Mary's health issues that keep us sideline for a few years. Soon after I discovered TF which has been great fun. Bottom line is that I enjoy recreational boating and sharing our adventures with others. I'm surprised with the 100,000 plus views on our last thread and look forward to the same dialogs and help on this one. If someone can benefit from what we write about or learn from our mistakes then great. It's also no secret that if I have something factual and not flattering about one of my boats I talk about openly despite what the builder may think. Hope this answers your question.
OK, so not employed by a manufacturer or broker?

The reason I ask is that you had three Nordhavns built with only a year or so between them before ordering, now two Helmsmen the same. The depreciation on a boat for the first one or two years is pretty big. In fact, on the Nordhavns would run into seven figures across the boats.
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OK, so not employed by a manufacturer or broker?

The reason I ask is that you had three Nordhavns built with only a year or so between them before ordering, now two Helmsmen the same. The depreciation on a boat for the first one or two years is pretty big. In fact, on the Nordhavns would run into seven figures across the boats.
He's also a smart and savvy buyer and seller and rest assure suffered smaller losses than you might think. It can be done. We were offered more for boats we had built than we'd paid. I know a new model of a major builder that the first boat sold was put immediately on the used market at more than he paid. When times were booming Trinity buyers did that but then in Grand Ambition you can read what happened when the market turned.

Often times with builders lead times, there are buyers who will pay nearly a new price for a barely used.

We used our Sunseeker for two years and over 10,000 nm in doing the loop and some other travel and because of some very good timing on the UK/US exchange rate, sold it for within 10% of what we paid for it.
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In response to the topic of range and our planned 1,000 mile trip south to Cabo without worrying about refueling in Turtle Bay we need at least 1,200 mile range to include a 20% safety factor before factoring in use of the generator. We are still working with Scott to understand the boats performance (GPH, NMPG, Speed) based upon our final engine selection and other options but with 800 gallons we should be fine.
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