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Old 09-16-2017, 12:35 PM   #861
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Running at higher RPM

Last weekend we decided to take the boat for a few hours and enjoy lunch off the coastline. Little did we know it was a major sail boat race weekend with numerous different racese all over bay and inlet. It didn't matter where we turned we were faced with boats coming from different directions. Even as we headed straight out the inlet we found ourselves in the middle of the "big" boats racing towards open waters. This was the first time I really appreciated the little extra speed the boat offers. I honestly believe it was a deciding factor in avoiding one potential incident when two sailboats came towards us from different directions and care we were on a direct course inside the channel.

A few observations that day included the very limited squatting of the stern when we increased RPM and excellent handling characteristics. Very unlike our previous boat. Fuel burn to speed ratio does off the chart above 1700 RPM. Noise level even at 2400 rpm was very acceptable and Mary didn't even comment. Overall great experience.
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Old 09-22-2017, 01:48 PM   #862
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How many hours have you put on since you bought it?
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Old 09-23-2017, 12:59 PM   #863
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How many hours have you put on since you bought it?
We only have 80 hours on the Cummins 380hp. It has turned out to be a great engine and I would select Cummins again. We did over power the boat with the 380hp. I selected the larger engine for currents when we run the IWC but I don't think we need this much power. We plan to 80 miles in the ocean to Ensenada, Mexico over Thanksgiving and will play more with RPM / Speed / Fuel Burn to dial in the "sweet spot". I really appreciate the computer instrument display, its light years ahead of what we had with Lugger engines on the Nordhavn's.
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Old 10-10-2017, 10:19 AM   #864
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Anyone on the west coast may enjoy reading the Helmsman 38E boat test in the October issue of Sea Magazine. While the article was written for our boat the photos used are from a stock boat. Overall a great review by the publisher.
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Old 10-14-2017, 06:54 PM   #865
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After a longer than planned wait we finally received word our new custom designed davit is complete and ready for shipment to SD. We contracted with a local yard to receive the pallet of pieces which will be installed over a couple of days with the boat remaining in the water. I'm not looking forward to having people aboard but hopefully things will go smooth and no damage will occur.

I'm leaning towards the removable soft chocks for the boat to rest on since it will be in the water more than up top.
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Old 10-14-2017, 08:30 PM   #866
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Hi John,

Would you mind posting some before and after pictures with your story on this project, please? I want to learn from you as we will need to deal with this issue on the next boat.

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Old 10-16-2017, 01:35 PM   #867
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Just to throw my 2 bits in... I own a 38 here in Seattle and use the soft chocks and can't say enough good things about them. With the hard permanent type i envisioned stubbed or broken toes, grand kids tripping etc. With these I just kick them to the corner when not in use and have a nice open fly-bridge deck. If they made taller ones I would have bought them just to get the dinghy up off the deck a little higher.
I tag the bow of the dinghy down around the davit post and the transom to the rails on the port side but honestly even in rough water I have never noticed any movement of the dinghy that may be a concern to some folks.
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Old 11-11-2017, 07:02 PM   #868
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We have not posted in awhile due to getting ready for the next phase in our lifes. More about later but I wanted to say we finally got the davit scheduled for installation on 11/21. I couldn't believe the yard was booked for a month solid. Once the davit is installed I will post a few photos.

It's great to see all the new posts from new owners.
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Old 11-12-2017, 01:53 AM   #869
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We have not posted in awhile due to getting ready for the next phase in our lifes. More about later but I wanted to say we finally got the davit scheduled for installation on 11/21. I couldn't believe the yard was booked for a month solid. Once the davit is installed I will post a few photos.

It's great to see all the new posts from new owners.
Hi N4061,

There is a N40 a couple of slips down from me. It's an impressive boat but so is the Helmsman! I finally sold my Carver C34 and I just got back from Bellingham, Washington. I went up to look at my new NP45 and to bring up some additional electronics. The boat finally came in from China. I've been waiting since January and it was supposedly almost done then! It will be up there for a couple of months getting commissioned.

I took it for a test drive and was surprised at the rattle of the cummins 355 at a couple of RPM ranges. Trevor said that he had the Cummins Rep came out and took it for a test run. The Rep said that it was common with the new engines. Going from one RPM range to another there would be a harmonic rumble that would go away when the next range was reached. This happens in a couple of places. I forget the RPM range. Did you notice that with yours?

You're in SF aren't you? I will eventually be home based in Redwood City, West Point Harbor. I hope to see you sometime.

Cheers and congratulations on your new Helmsman.
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I took it for a test drive and was surprised at the rattle of the cummins 355 at a couple of RPM ranges. Trevor said that he had the Cummins Rep came out and took it for a test run. The Rep said that it was common with the new engines.
Doesn't sound right to me, but if the theory is that it will go away once you get a few hours on it, I would document the boat mfgrs warranty that they will fix if it doesn't. Otherwise, you may hear, "well, you should have had Cummins fix it sooner -- too late now."
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Doesn't sound right to me, but if the theory is that it will go away once you get a few hours on it, I would document the boat mfgrs warranty that they will fix if it doesn't. Otherwise, you may hear, "well, you should have had Cummins fix it sooner -- too late now."
Yup, that's a very wise suggestion. I'm going to get a survey once the commissioning is done. I'm not worried, Trevor Brice (the owner of NPY) has been great and has assured me that they stand behind their product.
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Great question and observation. We also have a small harmonic vibration between 1600 and 1700 rpm. That's the only RPM we have this issue and Scott has reportedly chased this on other boats with support from Cummins. On our boat he installed two sets of drive shaft bearings but it didn't take care of the issue. I had a Cummins technician with over 20 years experience aboard a few months ago for another reason and he test ran the boat with me. His evaluation for this one RPM issue was harmonic with the engine and said it is enharent with these models. While I would prefer not to have this I can accept it since it is limited to one small RPM range. Regarding the issue "going away" in time I see no mechanical reasons why that will happen. Normally mechanical issues only get worse over time, never better. The fact you have this issue over multiple RPM ranges would be concerning to me and I would insist Cummins fix it prior to final acceptance of the boat.

If you don't mind me asking why was your boat nine months late?
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Old 11-13-2017, 04:02 AM   #873
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Great question and observation. We also have a small harmonic vibration between 1600 and 1700 rpm. That's the only RPM we have this issue and Scott has reportedly chased this on other boats with support from Cummins. On our boat he installed two sets of drive shaft bearings but it didn't take care of the issue. I had a Cummins technician with over 20 years experience aboard a few months ago for another reason and he test ran the boat with me. His evaluation for this one RPM issue was harmonic with the engine and said it is enharent with these models. While I would prefer not to have this I can accept it since it is limited to one small RPM range. Regarding the issue "going away" in time I see no mechanical reasons why that will happen. Normally mechanical issues only get worse over time, never better. The fact you have this issue over multiple RPM ranges would be concerning to me and I would insist Cummins fix it prior to final acceptance of the boat.

If you don't mind me asking why was your boat nine months late?
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Hi John,

The rattle may only be at one RPM range, I don't remember. I don't recall saying that the boat was 9 months late either. It was under construction when I first talked to NP about possibly buying a boat from them. The price was out of my range so Trevor said that they had a boat under construction that they would be willing to sell at my budget. He said that it should be done around June. It was completed in late October, that's 4 months past the approximate due date. "Around June" doesn't necessarily mean June. So I can't really say that it was 4 months late either. Trevor kept me apprised of their progress and kept me excited by sending pictures now and then.

They did a beautiful job. There is wood everywhere and it is gorgeous! He would call frequently and ask me if I wanted this or that on the boat. The first call he offered Flexiteak on the swim-step and cockpit at no charge. The second call was whether I wanted a gas or electric oven. The third call was whether I wanted stainless steel tiles behind the stove. (That stuff is cool). He added tile in the shower. My boat was the first with that option. The fourth call was about the color of granite in the galley and head. I chose two different colors. They modified the tables on the flybridge for me. He added shore-power at the bow at no charge. They ran extra wiring for me and other things. This was a boat that was 80-90% complete. I wasn't expecting the effort that they made to give me a custom boat experience. I thought the boat was going to be a stripped down model for the price but it came loaded. The thing that I really like about North Pacific is that they are continually trying to make their product better. The option list had some items in green which meant that they came at no charge and items in red that were options. Trevor said to ignore the colors "because everything comes with the boat now".That was a first for me.

So if in my previous post I made it sound like I wasn't happy with North Pacific I hope that I have rectified that mistake. I couldn't have had a better buying experience. Trevor's business is only about 10 years old and he is young and excited about what he does and proud of his business. It really shows in the way he does business. It's nice to see and even better to experience.

But that's kind of the way things are up in Washington. I really noticed it where I stayed (Bellwether - highly recommended) and at the shops that I went to. Californians are so stressed and jaded. I'm not used to getting greeted with a smile. I was born in San Francisco in 1956 and lived here all my life. I have watched things change as the traffic now rivals LA's with the traffic jams and the road rage. I can't wait to start cruising the coast. I'm retiring at the end of this year and then it's the trawler life for me. I'll take a storm to a traffic jam any day. As long as it's not the perfect storm!

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Old 11-22-2017, 12:38 PM   #874
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As with many boaters the ability to spend a few days aboard and set off for a long weekend cruise normally includes decisions (weather, personal priorities, health and for some work). This holiday weekend is no difference for us except one added decision - timing for our davit installation. We have mild weather and a flat calm ocean the next few days to make a 70 mile run south to Ensenada Mexico which we haven't visited in nine years. It's a nonstop run along the coastline and a trip down I enjoy, the return leg is usually a different story and may include bashing into head seas if the weather turns back to normal. On a bad day you don't even try it and sit tight unless you like those types of seas.

Despite the perfect weather, we were scheduled to have the davit install yesterday. Yes a few months later than planned. I delivered the boat at 0800hrs and discuss the job with the owner of yard. We received great support from both Nick Johnson (builder of our custom davit) and Scott via telephone discussions. Once I felt comfortable the technician understood the job I left for the afternoon. I had a sinking feeling this would not be a one day job and confirmed it when I returned around 3:00pm. Ouch, no trip to Ensenada this week I thought. This brought plan B into play which is to take the boat Thursday morning to our favorite anchorage for the day, have a great meal while watching the Chargers (use to be San Diego Chargers) and sipping a margarita.

We plan to check on the boat around noon and pray it will be ready today. If not it's to Plan "B" which I haven't yet developed. Stay tuned....
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As with many boaters the ability to spend a few days aboard and set off for a long weekend cruise normally includes decisions (weather, personal priorities, health and for some work). This holiday weekend is no difference for us except one added decision - timing for our davit installation. We have mild weather and a flat calm ocean the next few days to make a 70 mile run south to Ensenada Mexico which we haven't visited in nine years. It's a nonstop run along the coastline and a trip down I enjoy, the return leg is usually a different story and may include bashing into head seas if the weather turns back to normal. On a bad day you don't even try it and sit tight unless you like those types of seas.

Despite the perfect weather, we were scheduled to have the davit install yesterday. Yes a few months later than planned. I delivered the boat at 0800hrs and discuss the job with the owner of yard. We received great support from both Nick Johnson (builder of our custom davit) and Scott via telephone discussions. Once I felt comfortable the technician understood the job I left for the afternoon. I had a sinking feeling this would not be a one day job and confirmed it when I returned around 3:00pm. Ouch, no trip to Ensenada this week I thought. This brought plan B into play which is to take the boat Thursday morning to our favorite anchorage for the day, have a great meal while watching the Chargers (use to be San Diego Chargers) and sipping a margarita.

We plan to check on the boat around noon and pray it will be ready today. If not it's to Plan "B" which I haven't yet developed. Stay tuned....
Curious as to what their excuse was? I have zero tolerance for people not meeting promised commitments.
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Well the davit installation is complete and we experienced a real time reason why we made the boat selection and options we did. When we picked up the boat it was getting late in the afternoon and I knew we would be racing the clock and sunset. After checking on the work and confirming we would get things completed I walked back to the car and escorted Mary & Sailor Blue through the boat yard with all the boats out of the water on stands. Once aboard Mary started cleaning things up and getting us ready to leave for home. I watched the two technicians complete final checkout out davit and start cleaning up. The sun was setting around Point Loma and the sky was starting to get dark. Just when I thought we were ready to leave, I noticed missing screws on one of the cover plates. While the mechanic installed them I started to help move some of his power tools to the dock. I then started the engine while the technician finished cleaning up. After about ten more minutes we casted off and started the short ride across the bay home. By now we were using twilight to see as we took advantage of the upgraded engine and pushed her to 1900rpm (normal RPM for most people) as we cruised along at 8.5knots. This is one of reasons for selecting this boat and engine, the ability to cruise quicker than displacement speed when needed.
As we neared the marina I switched to the radar to track the limited traffic as i trained Mary. By the time we reached our slip it was dark as I strained to see the pilings. After a successful docking we tied up the and headed to our new home only eight minutes away.

A few observations regarding the davit and installation:
1. The davit is a custom design and "appears" to meet our objective.
2. The davit was a few months late due to the builder getting overwhelmed with work.
3. Both Nick and Scott supported the installation by talking with the owner of the yard the morning we did the installation.
4. The actual location of the davit post was inboard about 2-3 inches which caused a few issues but the technicians did a great job figuring things out.
5. While everyone at the yard was gone by 4:00pm the two guys working our boat stayed until the job was complete. This says alot about the crew and very appreciated.
6. While the davit looks great I will hold back commenting on how it works until next week she we receive the soft chocks and lift the dingy.

Today we are aboard for Thanksgiving and plan to take her out tomorrow.

Happy Thanksgiving
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Well the davit installation turned out cleaner then even I expected. You may recall I was stressing over the unsightly look of a tall post style davit that would take away from the look of the boat. Fortunately Scott told me to speak with Nick who builds different style davits and has installed a few on Helmsman trawlers. Nick knew what I was looking for and incorporated my design into a clean looking davit. Even when fully assembled she is not very tall. If we want to remove the forward arm all we do is remove one pin, slide off the 5' section and store it in the dingy. Fit and finish is excellent.

The only thing we need to accomplish is to have Gig Harbor build us a custom bridle shorter than the one that came with the boat. Hopefully we can get it this by Friday. We are scheduled to receive our "Soft Chocks" on Thursday. Looking forward to lifting the dingy next weekend.

We took the Helmsman out the other day when the air temperature was around 80 degrees, anchored out for lunch before running outside for an hour. What a great day. Had fun letting Mary drive as I monitored the fuel burn and electronics, only wish we had more time. We then took the dingy out at sunset for a cruise as we listened to some great music including Sia, Bruno Mars and the Eagles. Not a bad day.
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How about some pics? Maybe some pics of you using it too?

I ordered my tender a while back but they seem to be having issues getting it across the border from Canada. Some paper work issues I guess.
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