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Old 09-05-2012, 02:14 PM   #1
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Camano 31 Troll vs ?

Greetings all - I've been reading the forums here for some time, and recently signed up. My wife and I have been boating since we were kids, and currently own a Pearson 303 sailboat (3rd boat as a couple). Due to the type of boating we do, we are about to make a switch to a semidisplacement power boat, likley a Camano 31 (not our first power boat). We are very familiar with the Camano, have recently been on several that are on the market, and are flying out this weekend to look at two more. Basically, we are ready to make an offer on the right boat. All that said, we also considered the IG 32 and Nordic Tug 32. Although both of those boats have some great advantages, we keep coming back to the Camano due to the combination of flybridge, build quality and speed/economy, among other reasons. We also want to try and stay in a 35 foot slip (and our marina is very strict about fitting within the confines of the slip). As we work our way toward making the jump, any thoughts on the Camano or other similar type boats? Open to all thoughts and suggestions, and also hoping Ron may chime in with his experience with High Cotton.

PS - Carolena is the name of our sailboat, but I left S/V out of the name for this forum in the event we become powerboaters in the very near future.
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Old 09-05-2012, 02:35 PM   #3
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Thanks, RT. I should have probably added in my first post that we have budgeted a final purchase price around $100k +/- 20%. That will leave us with the necessary cushion for all the added expenses of purchasing a used boat. My wife and I have been saying for the past few years what a great time to buy a boat, and right now it is also right for us.
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We have a couple of Camano's in our marina, and the owners are happy with their boats. Your options of the Nordic ( pricier, and rarely found with a flybridge) and IG32 (more traditional and slower trawler) don't seem to fit the things you say you want. The only downside I personally see to the Camano is that access forward for anchoring/docking requires a pretty sure-footed shipmate. I'd never get my wife to try that in anything less than a dead calm. We like the full walkaround protected sides on our old MT34.
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Old 09-05-2012, 03:37 PM   #5
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The only downside I personally see to the Camano is that access forward for anchoring/docking requires a pretty sure-footed shipmate. I'd never get my wife to try that in anything less than a dead calm. We like the full walkaround protected sides on our old MT34.
I agree - did the walk on one and it is a little precarious. Fortunately, we are both still fairly young and surefooted. That and being used to walking to the mast on a healing/heaving deck to adjust the main halyard has been good training. We figured we would be moving to a larger sailboat around now, but have changed our sights. It would be nice to have an island berth and separate shower, but that doesn't really exist in anything that will fit our 35ft. slip, and those are not deal breakers for us. Gotta save something for the next boat . . . The Camano seems to be the best option for what we want and can afford, and we expect to keep it for five to ten years before the next jump, which may be back to sail if we decide to venture offshore down the road. Like many say, buy the boat for your current plans, not some future dream. Anyway, just looking for some feedback and to make sure we aren't missing any other models that we should be looking at.
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I chartered a Camano 31 in the PNW a few years ago. It was a great boat. I was amazed at how little fuel we used, although we cruised it at hull speed except for a few hours battling a current.

It would hit 12 kts at fast cruise.

The lower helm chair is a bit of a joke, but I guess it works ok in a pinch.

I would rip out the table in the main salon and at best replace it with a moveable teak table so it would be more comfortable to sit in the L shaped settee.

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The lower helm chair is a bit of a joke, but I guess it works ok in a pinch.

I would rip out the table in the main salon and at best replace it with a moveable teak table so it would be more comfortable to sit in the L shaped settee.

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I think the helm chairs were all custom options - at least from our experience, every boat we've looked at had a different setup. We've also seen some nice custom options for the table, one of which was setup like the cockpit tables in sailboats with two wings that fold down. We liked it becuase it really opens up the saloon but can convert to the larger table if needed. If the boat we ultimatley buy has only the original table, I do see a trip to a local furniture maker in the future. Thanks for all the comments, everyone, and still hoping Ron makes an appearance with some additional personal experience. Given that no one has yet come up with a similar type boat that we haven't already considered does make me feel better about our search for the right model/manufacturer for us being pretty much complete.

As for the OP post about enjoying the boat you have, agree 100%. We were on the sailboat last weekend and had a great time even though there wasn't enough wind to sail. Instead we just played slow powerboat burning about .5 gals. of diesel an hour at a leisurely 5.5 knots.
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I own one and I am very pleased with it. If you have any questions, I will do my best to answer them.

Here are some photos:

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Here is a day by day account of a recent 31 day cruise:

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The last page sums up costs.
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............ The only downside I personally see to the Camano is that access forward for anchoring/docking requires a pretty sure-footed shipmate. I'd never get my wife to try that in anything less than a dead calm..
There's a rail to hold on to while you're on the side decks. You can go through the forward hatch if you really need to. If necessary, I give my wife the helm and do what's needed myself. I bought, but haven't yet used, inflatable PFDs to use if necessary.

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The lower helm chair is a bit of a joke, but I guess it works ok in a pinch.

I would rip out the table in the main salon and at best replace it with a moveable teak table so it would be more comfortable to sit in the L shaped settee.
The lower helm chair was an option. I use a folding director's chair if I have to operate from the lower helm for any lenght of time. I store it under the rear cabin floor hatch out of the way.

We use the settee all the time and like having the table. That's where we eat. Some owners have changed the top to something hinged but I haven't felt the need to. I suppose it might be a problem for really large people.
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Thanks, Ron. I had come across one of your picture galleries and the piece about your trip during my initial research on the Camano. I hadn't seen the pictures of the upgrades - the floor looks amazing! I wish I had those sort of woodworking skills - I'm great with mechanics and fiberglass, but can't cut a straight line in wood to save my soul. By the way, I PM'd you about the possibility of talking directly about your thoughts on the boat.
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Always nice to see a few options. I like the commander 30 .
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Based on a walk though of one at the Vancouver boat show a few years ago my opinion is the Commander 30 makes better and more intelligent use of interior space than any other 30-foot production boat on the planet.
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Based on a walk though of one at the Vancouver boat show a few years ago my opinion is the Commander 30 makes better and more intelligent use of interior space than any other 30-foot production boat on the planet.

Isn't the commander 30 a full planing hull boat?

Isn't the troll a Semi displacement boat with a keel?

Please correct me where I'm wrong but if thats the case then they are really different boats and uses altogether.

The planing hull boat will be happier up on plane. The full keel boat will do better at displacement speeds.

If we're looking at planing hull boats then there are lots of options. Norstar is another one.
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Isn't the commander 30 a full planing hull boat?

Isn't the troll a Semi displacement boat with a keel?

Please correct me where I'm wrong but if thats the case then they are really different boats and uses altogether.

The planing hull boat will be happier up on plane. The full keel boat will do better at displacement speeds.

If we're looking at planing hull boats then there are lots of options. Norstar is another one.
The Camano Troll (or Gnome) has a full keel with a skeg that protects the prop and rudder. Yes, it's "semi planing". It can reach 13 K and cruise at 11 or 12K if necessary with a very significant decrease in economy. I normally run mine at 2K RPM which provides a speed of about 7 K over water and a fuel burn of about 1.8 GPH.

That Commander 30 looks a lot like an old Carver that's at my marina.
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The Camano Troll (or Gnome) has a full keel with a skeg that protects the prop and rudder. Yes, it's "semi planing". It can reach 13 K and cruise at 11 or 12K if necessary with a very significant decrease in economy. I normally run mine at 2K RPM which provides a speed of about 7 K over water and a fuel burn of about 1.8 GPH.

That Commander 30 looks a lot like an old Carver that's at my marina.
Exactly.

There are plenty of 30' planing hull boats to choose from.

Much less choice in a 30' semi displacement boat.

I really do not think you'll find anything that has not been mentioned. In the 30' range you could go for the Nordic Tug, the Ranger Tug, and the Camano.

Of those I like the Camano the best. Nice looking boats.
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Of those I like the Camano the best. Nice looking boats.
Thanks. We get a lot of compliments, but most of the other boats at our marina are sport cruisers.
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Isn't the commander 30 a full planing hull boat?

Isn't the troll a Semi displacement boat with a keel?

Please correct me where I'm wrong but if thats the case then they are really different boats and uses altogether.

The planing hull boat will be happier up on plane. The full keel boat will do better at displacement speeds.

If we're looking at planing hull boats then there are lots of options. Norstar is another one.

Agreed its kinda my point. at 30 feet of boat , buck for buck why not have more space and be able to cruise at 22 knots. I mean why the hell stay around to roll around at 7 knots when the nimble boat will get up and have some fun. Yet troll for salmon all day long when you want.
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If you want to do some diving or fishing as well as cruising, you might consider the Ellis 28. It's the same length as the Camano, 28' on deck, but it trades interior room for a bigger cockpit. Ellis doesn't count the pulpit or dive platform in the length. It's a tiny bit faster. Mine will do a little better than 16 knots with a 210 hp Cummins. As I get older and do less diving and fishing I keep looking at that nice big bridge and extra interior space on the Camano.
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.......... at 30 feet of boat , buck for buck why not have more space and be able to cruise at 22 knots. I mean why the hell stay around to roll around at 7 knots when the nimble boat will get up and have some fun. Yet troll for salmon all day long when you want.
I think it has less space if you include the flybridge.

Speed is a matter of personal prefference. My rule is, if I'm in a hurry, I'll drive or even fly. If I want to enjoy "boating", I'll take the boat at 7 knots.

If you want or think you need a faster boat, by all means buy a faster boat. Buy a "go fast" boat if that suits you. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with a slower boat.
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