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Old 09-06-2012, 11:06 AM   #21
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Thanks for all the suggestions, everyone. I'm familiar with and like the Commander, but we are more interested in a single screw semidisplacement for a number of reasons. The Ellis looks nice, HopCar, but we really like the interior layout and flybridge on the Camano. I think an Ellis 32 may fit the bill, but none on the East Coast for sale and it looks it like it would be above our self-imposed spending limit. Ranger Tug is a bit narrow, and the Nordic 32, which we also like, lacks the flybridge (we love driving outside when weather permits) and is also right at 35 ft loa with the swim platform and anchor. That means we couldn't put it in a 35ft. slip, which is important to us to be able to stay at our current marina. We've given the Nordic a hard look and think it is a great boat, but right now it just doesn't fit our style of boating. Again, I want to thank everyone for coming in with ideas - as we all know, buying a boat is a big purchase and we want to make sure we have not missed any option.
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Old 09-06-2012, 11:09 AM   #22
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Have a buddy who has a Camano Troll and ran an off-shore Log Race with him as crew. With the engine mounted down low, the boat rode a whole lot better than my 40 foot sundeck trawler. He pilots from the lower station and never uses the flybridge. In retrospect, he says he would go with the Camano Gnome, if he had to do it over again.
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Old 09-06-2012, 12:00 PM   #23
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I think it has less space if you include the flybridge.

Speed is a matter of personal prefference. My rule is, if I'm in a hurry, I'll drive or even fly. If I want to enjoy "boating", I'll take the boat at 7 knots.

If you want or think you need a faster boat, by all means buy a faster boat. Buy a "go fast" boat if that suits you. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with a slower boat.

Yup I agree and cruise in an oldfishboat at 6 to 7 knots. Options are always worth consideration IMO. The camano and or the commander can be powered by basicly the same single engine. The commander via outdrive the camano via shaft. Both well built tough boats yet have different and similar build quality and abilities.

I like dreamin , talking bout boats sorry if I came accross a bit like a sales man. I got notin vested in this.
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Old 09-06-2012, 12:10 PM   #24
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Agreed its kinda my point. at 30 feet of boat , buck for buck why not have more space and be able to cruise at 22 knots. I mean why the hell stay around to roll around at 7 knots when the nimble boat will get up and have some fun. Yet troll for salmon all day long when you want.
What I found having just come from a 28' plaining hull cabin cruiser is something I'll call "slow speed wander". Without a keel a planing hull boat tends to wander requiring much more helm correction than a boat with a keel.
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Old 09-06-2012, 12:40 PM   #25
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What I found having just come from a 28' plaining hull cabin cruiser is something I'll call "slow speed wander". Without a keel a planing hull boat tends to wander requiring much more helm correction than a boat with a keel.

Some will have that characteristic but the Commander is very much hard chined for not just stability but also tracking. They track very nice at trolling speed yet carve a nice turn at 20 plus knots. Different drive as well with the directional thrust of an outdrive verses the full keel / rudder. Different handeling abilities for sure. Outdrive can be nice for docking with directional thrust both in forward and reverse.

Deep V boats like a Double Eagle or Hourston and Commander track very nice. Unlike some of the direct drive Chris Crafts or Carvers etc.
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Old 09-06-2012, 01:05 PM   #26
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Thanks for all the suggestions, everyone. I'm familiar with and like the Commander, but we are more interested in a single screw semidisplacement for a number of reasons. The Ellis looks nice, HopCar, but we really like the interior layout and flybridge on the Camano. I think an Ellis 32 may fit the bill, but none on the East Coast for sale and it looks it like it would be above our self-imposed spending limit. Ranger Tug is a bit narrow, and the Nordic 32, which we also like, lacks the flybridge (we love driving outside when weather permits) and is also right at 35 ft loa with the swim platform and anchor. That means we couldn't put it in a 35ft. slip, which is important to us to be able to stay at our current marina. We've given the Nordic a hard look and think it is a great boat, but right now it just doesn't fit our style of boating. Again, I want to thank everyone for coming in with ideas - as we all know, buying a boat is a big purchase and we want to make sure we have not missed any option.
If sold on the Camano looks and layout...buy one.

But from the reports even in this thread...not sure where it stands as a semi-displacement hull. To me a medium powered displacement hull will run at 14-20 knots in it's economical cruise range..

There's a bunch of hyperbole often discussed about hull shape and whether it's semi or full displacement...just a bunch of wanna-bees discussing a book/article or two they read. What matters is what the boat you want does or doesn't do bsed on real life numbers....not just what some poster "thinks" it should or shouldn't do.

Me...if you want speed above 15 knots in a cruising boat...probably hard to beat a lobsteryacht type hull with an economical power plant suited for the speed you want...sure it may have less interior space...but are ya gonna do any foul weather cruising anyway? If speed is important...tere are tons of cruisers out there that will give respectable numbers...you just have to pick what you like...but pound for pound...I recommend lobsteryacht.

If you can live with less than 15 knots...the a whole new set of "fast trawlers" that may make you happy. There are lots of "custom" boats if you search but at some point...if you are happy with less than 15 knots...then are you really more concerned with ultimate fuel costs? Because if it's not fuel burn...there are hundreds of models out there that will get up and go and still not kill you with fuel costs if you run them in the displacement mode.

Again..if you fell in love with a boat...buy it...nothing else may make you happy... but to narrow it down on what you have posted so far makes me think you haven't heard all the options just quite yet...
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Old 09-06-2012, 01:29 PM   #27
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There are many new boats that look like the old trawlers such as the GBs but are much lighter and faster. The Camano is such a boat. Looks as heavy and slow as a Nordic Tug but planes much like a Fathom 40. The Camano is definitely a beautiful boat and I've lusted after them myself but they aren't in the same category as a Nordic Tug or Ellis. For a trawler the Camano is very shallow and quite flat and of course w it's light displacement ... very efficient. I was very amazed at how efficient the Camano 41 is. I saw some numbers that made me think "what am I doing w a full disp boat when a 40 footer can do that". And of course shallow draft has big advantages in some areas. I think they were an instant hit because of their good looks and speed. And they should continue to sell well for the same reasons.
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Old 09-06-2012, 02:16 PM   #28
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psneeld: All very good advice. Having grown up in New England and spent my fair share of time on working lobster boats, I'm very familiar with the style, and really like them for what they can do. I've also looked a quite a few lobster style boats, from Duffy to Beal to Eastern and a lot in-between. Even considered the Mainship Pilot that sort of follows the style. I really love the Back Cove boats, but they are way outside our price range (we have a beautiful one at our marina). The one drawback from my perspective is the tighter interior space and lack of flybridge on just about all of them. And, yes, I do see us cruising in foul weather - not gales, but I don't want to be tied up due to rain during a one week vacation trip. At this point, I think we are sold on the Camano, but I don't want to rule anything out. That is exactly why I posted here. As for real life performance, Ron was nice enough to spend a fair amount of time discussing his experience with the boat with me over the phone, which reinforced what the admiral and I have been thinking re the Camano for our specific wants. Fuel burn isn't our only issue, but it is something we want to keep reasonable, and the Camano certainly does that.

manyboats: I really, really like the Camano 41, and even more so what Bracewell has done with it since buying the molds. It has a great layout and the performance to efficiency is simply amazing. Maybe if we hit the lotto someday . . .

Once again, thanks to everyone for all the advice and great information. You have built a great community on this site!
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Old 09-06-2012, 03:07 PM   #29
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I bought a 2 year old Camano 31 Hull #270, in 2004 and used her a lot till 2008 when We decided we wanted something bigger. I don't think you can find a better built boat. Easilty handled I did a lot of solo fishing trips in her. Many pro features, NO TEAK! as noted the flyingbridge is huge for a boat that size. lots of space in the engine compartment, the ability to go fast if you want (doing that will hit your wallet) and others. We used to carry a 9' dinghy on the swim platform.
My wife is a non swimmer so she didn't like the side deck access to the bow, Of course the vee berth is a bit cramped but we have friends, he 6'2 she 6', who did the loop in theirs several years ago.
A friend in Mobile has a pristine 2005 he is selling, if you like his details PM me.
Interestingly when I sold my boat it was to a fellow in Sweden who bought it and shipped it over on a freighter.
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Old 09-06-2012, 04:07 PM   #30
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I would exclude the Commander because of the outdrive propulsion, if that is the only drive offered. As a former Seatow licensee (owner), outdrives are a significant source of revenue.
I do like the use of space in the commander.
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Old 09-06-2012, 07:36 PM   #31
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That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with a slower boat.
Yes there is. It's slow.

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I'm still trying to find a boat that is comparable to the Camano (size, features and layout). It's hard! Maybe a RangerTug 31 flybridge?? Nice boat but still a different layout and not as beamy. I also don't like the styling very much. Seems kinda "chintzy" looking and that's rare for a PNW boat. Usually they are salty...

$320k base price though?! Wow.

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Well said....
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Old 12-09-2017, 04:47 PM   #34
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Yes there is. It's slow.


Slow is beautiful.... unless youíre water skiing 🤣
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