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Old 10-17-2015, 06:33 PM   #21
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Old 10-17-2015, 07:56 PM   #22
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I always get the "keep the emotion out of it advice" which I might not understand. . .there has to be a "Darling!" moment, right?

I mean, I've looked at 10 boats so far. 4 were turds, 6 were everything I was looking for in one way or another. . .but were "meh". . .they did nothing for me.

Maybe, well. . .it broke my heart to have to walk away from one of the turds.

....just 10 boats so far? Don't be too quick here. There's always a good deal out there. Patience!


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You might examine that some more. Why was it a turd? Why did you like it anyway? Are there more like it, without the turd-hood-ness factor?

Or do you mean it was just a great deal, not a boat you actually craved?

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Could have been a deal, I thought it was over priced to be honest. Needed flooring, new portlights, bigger holding tank, new appliances, "cockpit" painting, 1 decent soft spot in the deck. . .really bad DIY stick on teak veneer job on parts of the cabinets. . .but I loved the look and layout. Very classy That kind of list of deficiencies to me, as long as the structural and engine room are up to snuff, is a TLC boat that could be a "Deal".

But as usual, I shoo away the Broker so I can have a couple hours alone and start peeling back the layers!

And I find stuff this in the engine room. . .and bilges! Stem to stern, oily, sludgy mess. The bottom of the oil pan where it is immersed in water has deep flay rust starting. . .

Yeah, it all is fixable. But I don't want to deal with it. At least not that, I'd rather recore a deck if I'm choosing my project

And it makes me wonder, if an owner can live with that. . .what else am I NOT seeing?
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Wow, what pictures. I'd walk just from looking at those.
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That at most is worth perhaps 25K, too many other choices out there.

What else you see?
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Old 10-18-2015, 02:19 PM   #26
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but I loved the look and layout. Very classy

Fair enough. My point was that -- if you can say what part of it you liked (even in this turd example) -- then you can maybe use that to identify other suitable candidates.

How many Hatteras DCs like that are on the market somewhere? Maybe some of those -- already know to probably offer with the look and layout you like -- would be in fine shape.


At this point, you're shifting from searching by cost into searching by desirable features (look and layout).

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Fair enough. My point was that -- if you can say what part of it you liked (even in this turd example) -- then you can maybe use that to identify other suitable candidates.

How many Hatteras DCs like that are on the market somewhere? Maybe some of those -- already know to probably offer with the look and layout you like -- would be in fine shape.


At this point, you're shifting from searching by cost into searching by desirable features (look and layout).

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I've looked at 4 local. 2 41's, a 38 tri-cabin, and a 43. Various states of disrepair, neglect, and Deep Horizon spill bilges. The 38 I looked at had oil in the bilge, like 20 gallons! Not a slick on water, but like 8 inches deep

There is a nice one (via pictures, aren't they all?) in Gloucester for $63k. Maybe I need to get serious about financing, lol.

The big draw for me was the flush deck. I'm right there with guests, I'm right there where action is at while backing in, and I can see where I'm backing into.
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I've looked at 4 local. 2 41's, a 38 tri-cabin, and a 43.

No, that means you've only looked at 2... and a couple other different boats

Go shopping for 41 DCs, man! Find out how many there are listed, eyeball 'em all! (Well, on-line maybe, at least.)

Unless the 38s and 43s all share the very same features you like, in which case track all those down too!



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Old 10-18-2015, 03:16 PM   #29
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do you live in tidewater?

Yerp! Born & raised

Ran out of time yesterday, so I was only able to go over the Albin 36 with a fine tooth comb.

Biggest issue I found was a water line in the bilges and on the engine. In the forward berth the lower edges of the plywood were delaminating. I'm assuming this boat filled with water long enough to start rotting the wood? So yeah, that's no good

The deck is missing maybe 1/3rd of it's screw bungs. The screws themselves are at the level of the deck in spots. The teak trim is so weathered it's almost unrestorable. It's just a coat of cetol. . .All the teak (decks and trim) look like someone scrubbed them with a wire brush for several decades. Decks were solid even to jump on them though.

One of the SS water tanks has pin hole leaks in a weld seam.

I saw what everyone was talking about re: the iron tanks. No holes in the deck from screws, so the tops of the tanks just had that layer of dusty rust. The bottom edges and corners though, were flaky and moist

The engine itself does not look like it only has 169 hours on it and is only 8 years old. The broker says there is no paper work. I guess I'm supposed to just trust him

Liveaboard cons:

-No standing headroom in either head, and I'm only 5'10.
-The salon area was roomy enough, but there isn't anyplace to set up a TV/entertainment area. . .

Boat number 11, going to pass on. What is this boat worth to me? Nothing. . .even if it was perfect, not being able to stand up in the shower would drive me nuts!

I have Monday off, so I might run back out there to go over the Marine Trader 40. The teak deck on the boat was much better condition. All bunged and no wear from what I saw. The broker kind of ran me off the boat to look at the Albin 36 though, so. . .
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No, that means you've only looked at 2... and a couple other different boats

Go shopping for 41 DCs, man! Find out how many there are listed, eyeball 'em all! (Well, on-line maybe, at least.)

Unless the 38s and 43s all share the very same features you like, in which case track all those down too!



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Word. The 38 is different enough that it has a galley up. The 43 I think is the what the 41 evolved into (60's into a 70's boat). Some 43's online have washer/dryers installed.
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So! Checked out that Marine Trader 40 yesterday. I must say, I was fairly impressed. It looks like a fairly solid, no frills boat prime for a refit and guilt free customization If the price was right. . .If I were to entertain a bit of a project, I'm thinking in the $20k's, maybe high teens? Out of curiosity I sent an email to the broker asking how serious they were about selling. . .

Decks looked better than the Albin. Only a few bungs missing. Couple areas need recaulked. Under deck areas I could see, no screws penetrated.

Genny is shot

All the windows need to be rebuilt/rebedded

Needs non-skid paint

Pulpit is cracked

Fuel tanks are original, but from the parts I could see looked pretty good. Of course, it's the parts you can't see. . .

Engine needs to be scrubbed and touched up

Diesel fuel in the bilge. I couldn't find a leak, assume a spill?

Oven works but is a crap pile.

Fridge works but is old and stinks

Battery bank is older

Thru hulls operated, surprisingly! handles were rusty.

New hoses and clamps scattered about. At least someone was doing something. . .

Needs a stem to stern, top to bottom scrubbing!

I like the room and the layout. And I like the walk around decks and line of sight around the boat from the flybridge. Thoughts?
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So! Checked out that Marine Trader 40 yesterday. I must say, I was fairly impressed. It looks like a fairly solid, no frills boat prime for a refit and guilt free customization If the price was right. . .If I were to entertain a bit of a project, I'm thinking in the $20k's, maybe high teens? Out of curiosity I sent an email to the broker asking how serious they were about selling. . .

Decks looked better than the Albin. Only a few bungs missing. Couple areas need recaulked. Under deck areas I could see, no screws penetrated.

Genny is shot

All the windows need to be rebuilt/rebedded

Needs non-skid paint

Pulpit is cracked

Fuel tanks are original, but from the parts I could see looked pretty good. Of course, it's the parts you can't see. . .

Engine needs to be scrubbed and touched up

Diesel fuel in the bilge. I couldn't find a leak, assume a spill?

Oven works but is a crap pile.

Fridge works but is old and stinks

Battery bank is older

Thru hulls operated, surprisingly! handles were rusty.

New hoses and clamps scattered about. At least someone was doing something. . .

Needs a stem to stern, top to bottom scrubbing!

I like the room and the layout. And I like the walk around decks and line of sight around the boat from the flybridge. Thoughts?
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which mt40 was this one?
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Of course, there a couple spots in closets with water stains. . .I couldn't for the life of me figure out where they were coming from/could have come from? It does look like a couple decks drains area leaking back aft. . .
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What is wrong with this one??? And it is in Va. too!!! It's only $15k more than that Hatteras and you have WAY more than $15k worth of work to do....not to mention your time and hassle. Are you looking for something to piddle around on or are you looking for a boat??? This boat appears to be almost turn key. AND NO EXTERIOR TEAK!!!! Buy the boat...kick back...and relax. Unless of course you want to work on boats....

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1986 Chris Craft with 30 year old VOLVOS. I'd almost take a broken Lehman over a running Volvo.
Have you seen the boats he is considering????? He is basically talking about rebuilding boats and putting a lot of money/sweat equity into a boat worth no more than what he bought it for. I think I'd take my chances on the Volvos and a clean turn key boat versus recoring/UNteaking decks, replacing generators, rebuilding engines, rebedding/replacing windows, repanelling interior teak.....his lists go on and on. Every boat in my signature was American built. And not a single one of them have/had leaky windows. I would imagine that to be the case with the Chris Craft as well. I have no idea why the Asians have not figured out how to build a window that doesn't leak.
Not only that, he mentioned that he liked the flush deck layout....here it is!!! There just aren't many FD out there in this size and price range.
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Baker, there is a sick part of me that likes the idea of a project (the right kind of project). Finding a blank canvas of a boat is almost exciting. Would I actually buy this boat? Not sure. . .that is a LOT to think about. . .I still consider all this a learning experience. The Albin, and this particular boat, I spent the time going over to report back my findings. . .to get an idea of what they may actually be worth and if my own determinations were close.

I've been on a Catalina 381 that is next door. Gas powered, turn key. Everything I want in a live aboard, but it just didn't do anything for me. . .easily forgettable. I do appreciate the suggestion though.

The Flush deck Hatteras and MT 40 both got the gears turning. I'm thinking about them. . .just, does the math add up? And if not. . .I have 2 types of boat to search for
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Baker, there is a sick part of me that likes the idea of a project (the right kind of project).
HAHAHA....I kinda figured that!!! Good luck!!!
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So! Checked out that Marine Trader 40 yesterday. I must say, I was fairly impressed. It looks like a fairly solid, no frills boat prime for a refit and guilt free customization

Only a few bungs missing. Couple areas need recaulked.
Genny is shot
All the windows need to be rebuilt/rebedded
Needs non-skid paint
Pulpit is cracked
etc etc etc


I've been on a Catalina 381 that is next door. Gas powered, turn key. Everything I want in a live aboard, but it just didn't do anything for me. . .easily forgettable. I do appreciate the suggestion though.



Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, you enjoyed the play?

Do you like the layout better, same as, or less than the Hatteras flush deck models?


Ref the Chris Catalina 381 suggestion -- and Volvos aside -- what is it about the layout that's different from the Hatts? IOW, why do the Hatts grab you, and the Chris doesn't? Changeable?


FWIW, if you intend to travel with the boat, diesels vs. gas should get some analysis. Were it me, I might risk Volvo diesels... maybe... given a decent survey return from a Volvo specialist. Maybe.


BTW, are you only looking at nearby boats? Or considering many boats on the east coast? Or the whole east coast? Or...? I see lots of Hatt DCs on yachtworld...


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