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Old 03-25-2015, 06:26 PM   #21
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We're in FL currently and it's the same down here. One sticker (for doc & state reg) or a bunch of letters and numbers on both sides plus the sticker for state registration only. An other reason to document.
Except you still have to have the string of letters and numbers on your dinghy which has less room on the side and looks really bad.
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Old 03-25-2015, 07:26 PM   #22
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Also my reason and I have my abstract all the way back to 1975 when the boat was first documented, I did not want to break the chain.

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We've documented our last three vessels purely for vanity reasons. If we registered with the state we had to put registration numbers on the bow. Didn't like how it looked. Documented and put the #'s deep inside the boat instead.

With our travel plans we had to document anyways, but the real reason we "wanted" to document is above
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Old 03-25-2015, 08:20 PM   #23
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Any vessel over 5 tons may be documented. If you don't fit in the situations described above, there's really no strong reason to do so. We do cruise to other countries so we did document.
It is not based on the vessel's weight but its volume. For most all smaller vessels such as ours, it is based on a "simplified" measure of the hull's volume.
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Old 03-25-2015, 08:47 PM   #24
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It is not based on the vessel's weight but its volume. For most all smaller vessels such as hours, it is based on a "simplified" measure of the hull's volume.
Yes, 5 tons volume...typically that cut off point is about 26 feet.
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Mr. W. It is my understanding that documentation is a federal process whilst registration or licensing is a state process. If traveling to another country, it could be more acceptable to the other countries border officials if your boat had a "passport" (documentation) as opposed to a "driver's license" (registration) upon entry. What Mr. I posted is applicable as well.
How about the dingy
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Old 03-26-2015, 12:09 AM   #26
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Most likely, if the dinghy is engine-powered or has a sailing rig and over eight-feet in length, it will need to be state-registered. (Check your state's regulations.) The USCG won't document a boat of less than five "tons."
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Old 03-26-2015, 12:11 AM   #27
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Most likely, if the dinghy is engine-powered or has a sailing rig and over eight-feet in length, it will need to be state-registered. (Check your state's regulations.) The USCG won't document a boat of less than five "tons."
Yes and I recommend carrying evidence you've cleared the main vessel in the country, especially if you stray a great distance from it as we tend to do.
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Manually powered, no need to register, at least in California.


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Old 03-26-2015, 12:24 AM   #29
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Can not confirm truth of story, but actually believe it. In 2012 a US boat showed up in Martinique with only a state registration. Captain was fined 500 Euros for entering France (Martinique) without vessel documentation.
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Old 03-26-2015, 06:45 AM   #31
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Another advantage to documentation is should you sell the boat , and the purchaser will be making payments to you, should the deal go South reclaiming the boat is easy.

IF you use the USCG sales form , reclaiming the boat anywhere (in the civilized world) is fairly easy.

Most folks dont use this sort of sale , but the advantage is HUGE if you do.
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Actually a lot of things are changing with documentation. Many of the delays were before moving the office and before enhancing the systems... Now there are many options. First, you may now file by email, using a PDF application. Second, you may now follow up on all paperwork and it's status online. This will show you the documents have been received and are being worked on. The TCOD (temporary certificate of documentation) is being discontinued with this in place. Third, they will expedite applications if contacted and told of an urgent need. For instance, you're going to be taking the boat out of the country.

Mortgage and Lien Filings are still quite a bit behind.

They had a very bad situation and are being very transparent about it while working to improve it. I don't know what success they'll have but the fact one can look up applications online and also can look at where they stand on processing to me is at least a positive sign.
I thought I saw a notice of USCG issuing temporary Doc's - but as BandB states above they have suspended that... "
As of November 7, 2014 the National Vessel Documentation Center (NVDC) will suspend the issuance of Temporary Certificates of Documentation (TCODs)
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Processing for recreational Doc's remains significantly behind... Especially in the mortgage & lien areas...
Most troubling is satisfaction of lien - to demonstrate clear title in the case of a sale!!


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Fish Initial Application: 03/06/15
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FWIW, my original transfer last year took 5 months. My renewal this year, mailed in with $26 check, took 7 days.

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Old 03-26-2015, 12:43 PM   #34
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FWIW, my original transfer last year took 5 months. My renewal this year, mailed in with $26 check, took 7 days.

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Although I see the database still says you expire next month.

(As I understand it the new $26 annual renewal process is relatively automated while the other transactions still are not, nor can they be, probably -- I can see where most other transactions would require a human review of the submission on some level.)
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Although I see the database still says you expire next month.

(As I understand it the new $26 annual renewal process is relatively automated while the other transactions still are not, nor can they be, probably -- I can see where most other transactions would require a human review of the submission on some level.)
They're moving toward further automation in all areas. Part of the problem was that nothing was automated.
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FWIW, my original transfer last year took 5 months. My renewal this year, mailed in with $26 check, took 7 days.

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With no mortgage or lien to record, expedited one and got it back in 14 days, so number was put in boat as required before it was delivered to us.

Our only other experience was in 2012 and we were in no hurry. Took 5 months, which I was told we were lucky. I think liens and mortgages play a big role in the time as their web site shows.

As they get renewals automated and get them out of their efforts then that should help them catch up on initial documentation. They have far more renewals than initial so automating them is a huge reduction in work.

The information I posted earlier was directly from the page Bacchus cut and pasted. I do applaud the transparency. I see people apply for things through other agencies and they can't even get an answer on when to expect anything. Transparency to where they stand is also a great motivator to improving things.
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I have been to the Bahamas many times with boats registered in Florida, and boats documented in the US or registered in other countries. The main concern with Bahamian officials is collecting the fee, not the documentation or registration.
Returning to the US in Fort Lauderdale was also easy with registered or documented boats.
The expedited process for a new document for boats sold recently and headed to a foreign country is quick, I had a recent client get the document in a week.
When selling a boat, an Abstract of Title can be obtained on a documented boat within a week showing not only history of ownership but also past and current mortgages and liens.
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The expedited process for a new document for boats sold recently and headed to a foreign country is quick, I had a recent client get the document in a week.
When selling a boat, an Abstract of Title can be obtained on a documented boat within a week showing not only history of ownership but also past and current mortgages and liens.
That's 100% consistent with what I've experienced on expediting. And if you're not going to a foreign country, then while the delay is annoying, it's not critical. As to the Abstract of Title, one has been able to get it quickly, but couldn't be sure that recent liens were all reflected. I think the systems improvements though will eliminate that problem as by recording all documents received, they will be able to search for items they haven't recorded before sending an Abstract.
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Documenting or registration

While database is updated periodically, not daily, the documentation itself shows the correct date. That is what will be shown to any inquiring officials.

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Old 03-26-2015, 09:13 PM   #40
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We bought our latest boat around the 1st of June of last year. It took the USCG until just before Christmas last year to send us the Documents and it was only a transfer.

In our case Documentation allowed us to avoid sales tax from our the state. It also in some states allows you to skip the states registration process. Documentation is a personal preference and like RTF said most countries ( if you travel outside the U.S.) prefer it over just a state registration. Your banker may too.

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Just an FYI: You didn't avoid sales tax, you choose not to pay it. There is a little thing called USE Tax that one is supposed to file with your tax return each year. This requires you to pay the sales tax on anything you bought online, boat, or whatever else and did not pay sales tax at the time of purchase. You are currently breaking the law by not paying.
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