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09-27-2015, 02:52 PM
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#141
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Wannabe
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Name: Stillwater
Vessel Model: Kadey-Krogen 54
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 782
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Originally Posted by kthoennes
Same experience here with the FCC when we were gearing up our new boat for our East Coast trip. FCC, another massive, complex govt bureaucracy, but somehow the issued all our licenses in a few days. CG took around eight months for the boat doc, and nearly two years for the previous owner's loan satisfaction.
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Likewise - had many dealings with the FCC over MMSI, Ship's Callsign and Amateur Radio. As clunky as the user interface may be, their computer system works and they're able to process requests in hours and days rather than weeks and months.
Contrast that with NVDC where I had received my paper COD and it was still 2 weeks before the entry showed up in their online database search. Now what is wrong with that picture?
Richard
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09-28-2015, 11:28 AM
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#142
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Veteran Member
City: Burke, VA
Vessel Name: Tranquility
Vessel Model: Krogen 42-023
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 43
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They update the online database once a month.
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Tranquility
KK 42-023
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09-28-2015, 12:02 PM
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#143
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Wannabe
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Name: Stillwater
Vessel Model: Kadey-Krogen 54
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 782
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Originally Posted by gehales
They update the online database once a month.
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Ah ok. The FCC updates nightly I believe.
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09-29-2015, 10:45 AM
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#144
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Senior Member
City: Albany, NY
Vessel Name: Gypsy Star
Vessel Model: Gulf Star 43
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 451
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Our TCOD, dated September 17, arrived yesterday. The official and hull numbers are correct but no boat name or hailing port is listed. Since our application for exchange includes changing those, I called and asked which we operate under until we receive the COD. They said to go ahead and change the name and hailing port.
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10-10-2019, 05:22 PM
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#145
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Member
City: Fort lee
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 7
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I put a deposit on a boat not knowing about CG undocument process
Iniitially seller assured me that I'll be able to regiester the boat in NY state, even though it's been documented. But after 3 days, seller tells me that I can't regiester the boat until the boat gets un documented and it's going to take 3weeks! Now this process can take longer and can even get complicated, if the right paper work is not submitted! I agree with the gentleman who started this thread.
So, I backed out of the deal and the seller got mad at me and he's refusing to return my $1000 deposit! I mean if the guy knew he's going to put his boat up for sale then why wait until the last minute to un document it! I don't know what to do. This is first time ever buying a boat! What can I do to recover my deposit form the seller?
Thanks,
Lias
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10-10-2019, 06:00 PM
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#146
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Guru
City: SoCal and Vancouver Island
Vessel Name: Tortuga
Vessel Model: Nordhavn 63
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 748
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger Long
Our TCOD, dated September 17, arrived yesterday. The official and hull numbers are correct but no boat name or hailing port is listed. Since our application for exchange includes changing those, I called and asked which we operate under until we receive the COD. They said to go ahead and change the name and hailing port.
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Whatever you do, don't move your boat until that is all corrected...
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10-10-2019, 06:01 PM
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#147
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Guru
City: .
Vessel Name: GOTCHA
Vessel Model: Hatteras 58 LRC
Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 1,103
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You need a Buyers Agent/Broker!
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USCG 200 GT Master
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10-10-2019, 06:07 PM
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#148
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Guru
City: SoCal and Vancouver Island
Vessel Name: Tortuga
Vessel Model: Nordhavn 63
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 748
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For what its worth, my documentation hadn't worked its way through the system when it was time to take the new boat on a trip to the Bahamas. With my purchase paperwork and copies of my application for USCG documentation, I cleared into Bahamas and then back into the U.S. and nobody batted an eye.
There are enough real problems in life that may need my attention that I try to not sweat the small stuff.
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10-10-2019, 06:34 PM
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#149
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Guru
City: Vermont
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 10,092
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lias
Iniitially seller assured me that I'll be able to regiester the boat in NY state, even though it's been documented. But after 3 days, seller tells me that I can't regiester the boat until the boat gets un documented and it's going to take 3weeks! Now this process can take longer and can even get complicated, if the right paper work is not submitted! I agree with the gentleman who started this thread.
So, I backed out of the deal and the seller got mad at me and he's refusing to return my $1000 deposit! I mean if the guy knew he's going to put his boat up for sale then why wait until the last minute to un document it! I don't know what to do. This is first time ever buying a boat! What can I do to recover my deposit form the seller?
Thanks,
Lias
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I you still want the boat, I don't think this is a big deal. Just file the paperwork to undocument, and keep a copy with the boat. When that's completed, go register it in NYS. Everyone buying a documented boat has to deal with the Coast Guard turn around time, which can literally be months. It doesn't matter whether you are undocumenting, or transferring the documentation.
If you don't want the boat, then your contract should be clear on whether the seller gets to keep the deposit.
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10-10-2019, 06:38 PM
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#150
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 28,149
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lias
Iniitially seller assured me that I'll be able to regiester the boat in NY state, even though it's been documented. But after 3 days, seller tells me that I can't regiester the boat until the boat gets un documented and it's going to take 3weeks! Now this process can take longer and can even get complicated, if the right paper work is not submitted! I agree with the gentleman who started this thread.
So, I backed out of the deal and the seller got mad at me and he's refusing to return my $1000 deposit! I mean if the guy knew he's going to put his boat up for sale then why wait until the last minute to un document it! I don't know what to do. This is first time ever buying a boat! What can I do to recover my deposit form the seller?
Thanks,
Lias
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Why can't you register it in NYS?
No matter what is going on, I would think you should be able to register it as long as you have a bill of sale and a clean HIN number.
Undocumenting and transfer of ownership are 2 different things...no need to "undocument"...unless you have to.
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10-11-2019, 08:54 AM
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#151
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Guru
City: Alexandria, VA
Vessel Model: 2000 Wellcraft
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,467
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Quote:
Originally Posted by guy with a boat
For what its worth, my documentation hadn't worked its way through the system when it was time to take the new boat on a trip to the Bahamas. With my purchase paperwork and copies of my application for USCG documentation, I cleared into Bahamas and then back into the U.S. and nobody batted an eye.
There are enough real problems in life that may need my attention that I try to not sweat the small stuff.
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We took a boat with expired U.S. Documentation to the Bahamas several years ago, and didn't even notice until we were pulling out the documentation paperwork to clear in.
We just handed it to the Bahamian officials without saying anything and they cleared us in without even mentioning it. However, later in the trip, we got boarded by the U.S. Coast Guard, in the Bahamas, and they did write us up for it. But, we didn't have to leave the Bahamas.
And, I guess the statue of limitations have passed, so I can say we just came back to the U.S. without clearing in to avoid getting hassled again. Never heard anything from that, either.
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10-12-2019, 02:32 PM
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#152
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Member
City: Fort lee
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 7
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Hi,
Our contract doesn't state that he could keep the deposit. It says if everything goes well then I'd buy the boat.
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10-13-2019, 07:34 AM
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#153
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TF Site Team
City: Seneca Lake NY
Vessel Name: Bacchus
Vessel Model: MS 34 HT Trawler
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 7,828
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lias
Hi,
Our contract doesn't state that he could keep the deposit. It says if everything goes well then I'd buy the boat.
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It doesn't say he can't keep the deposit either!
I think the "if everything goes well" may be the root of your problem. Goes well is not very definitive and should be much more specific... acceptable survey, engine mechanical inspection, seller producing clear title, etc and should include an anticipated time frame.
Also what conditions constitute return of deposit... there is no mention of return of deposit if it doesn't "go well".
Return may be justified by the contract being one sided... I'm no lawyer but I believe contracts need to represent both sides?? What say the legal beagles?
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2008 MS 34 HT Trawler
"Bacchus"
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10-13-2019, 09:28 AM
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#154
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Senior Member
City: Lutz
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 473
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Doc
I agree with the seller- just because govt agencies take some time it isn't his fault- besides you can use the boat fully while paperwork goes thru. You possibly caused him to miss another prospect and sale.
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10-13-2019, 09:57 AM
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#155
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Moderator Emeritus
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 21,189
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Boat/US has sample sales contacts on it’s website.
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