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08-24-2015, 01:38 PM
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#101
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,449
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And if you continue to have problems with this, then again I suggest engaging the help of someone who does it all the time for a living.
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08-24-2015, 01:42 PM
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#102
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Guru
City: Tampa
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 844
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Originally Posted by psneeld
WHAT? Then what the heck is the issue?
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Exactly!
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The more you post the more it seems like you and the CG are in total disconnect.
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There's definitely a disconnect somewhere.
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I got straight and problem solving answers in 10 minutes.
CDR might have helped...but I didn't use it up front and retired takes a lot out of it anyway.
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Hey, it never hurts
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08-24-2015, 05:42 PM
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#103
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Guru
City: kemah
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 1,135
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Quote:
Originally Posted by psneeld
Naw...she was way more PC than I am....
But like using the wrong oil, filter or anchor...fearmongering has become a pastime on TF.
Then it turns into entertainment for those that have not much substantial to offer.
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Well other than a derogatory comment or two I didnt have much at all to contribute. So sign me up for the entertainment value.
I still like the irony of someone that spent his time "writing the rules" being upset about getting caught in their snare.
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08-24-2015, 06:11 PM
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#104
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Guru
City: Meydenbauer Bay Yacht Club
Vessel Name: Lulu (Refugio sold)
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 1,284
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Dang, I thought my answer back on post 11 was definitive on this: If you are asserting you are a documented vessel and you aren't, you can get a heavy fine. So stop asserting you are documented and assert something else - that you can back up and/or that has lesser fines - until you become documented. This is such a nothing-burger of an issue...
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08-24-2015, 07:00 PM
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#105
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Guru
City: Vermont
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 10,092
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger Long
I'm going to try and get the BoatUS government affairs guy who is following this to do that. As you say, it sometimes depends who is asking.
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Some time ago I asked the BoatUS Government Affairs people if they could try to work on/influence the backlog issue. They expressed no interest. Maybe you will have more success than I did. If ever there were a government problem/policy practice that impacts boaters, this seems to be one.
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08-24-2015, 07:25 PM
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#106
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Senior Member
City: Freeport, N.Y.
Vessel Name: Guns 'N' Hoses II
Vessel Model: 2004 34' Pilothouse Sedan
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 260
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Off Duty
Neeld,
...pet rock....you sure you weren't a cop or a fireman in some life?
OD
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I am a fireman and the missus is a cop so we are not the sharpest knives in the draw. Was that a shot fired across our bow?
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08-24-2015, 07:30 PM
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#107
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 28,149
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kwmeyer13
I am a fireman and the missus is a cop so we are not the sharpest knives in the draw. Was that a shot fired across our bow?
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I doubt it...I'll bet he considers all of you part of the brotherhood too...
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08-24-2015, 10:39 PM
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#108
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Guru
City: Sioux Falls, South Dakota
Vessel Name: Xanadu
Vessel Model: Mainship 37 Motor Yacht
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 2,472
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At the risk of sounding like - gasp - a certain presidential candidate, what difference does any of this make? What is the point of all this hand-wringing and fretting and the phone calls and the preoccupation with federal regs and compliance and processing delays? Who cares? Fed documentation for recreational boats has become a meaningless exercise, it has almost no bearing on practical reality, or on moving a (state registered) boat from point A to point B, even across international borders.
I'm reminded of the poem "Terrance this is stupid stuff." I'm paying $26 - every year now - for the privilege of not cluttering the look of my hull with state registration numbers. There it is. The End.
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08-25-2015, 05:32 AM
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#109
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Senior Member
City: Albany, NY
Vessel Name: Gypsy Star
Vessel Model: Gulf Star 43
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 451
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Quote:
Originally Posted by twistedtree
Some time ago I asked the BoatUS Government Affairs people if they could try to work on/influence the backlog issue. They expressed no interest. Maybe you will have more success than I did. If ever there were a government problem/policy practice that impacts boaters, this seems to be one.
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I have and they are on it. It isn't going to happen fast though. This whole thread is intended to help show that the backlog is causing problems.
A lot of you are not helping with that
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08-25-2015, 05:59 AM
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#110
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 28,149
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I think Documentation is still valid.
I think the USCG should be able to get documentation through faster.
But I don't, and apparently a lot of others, don't see it as a problem to the average rec boater.
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08-25-2015, 06:13 AM
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#111
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Senior Member
City: Albany, NY
Vessel Name: Gypsy Star
Vessel Model: Gulf Star 43
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 451
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Quote:
Originally Posted by psneeld
I think Documentation is still valid.
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So do I although I would be tempted to give it up at this point for most of the cruising we plan to do.
However, I am sure Cuba is going to open up for US cruisers fairly soon and I would not burn the documentation bridge until I know what the requirements are going to be for vessels visiting there.
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08-25-2015, 09:26 AM
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#112
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Guru
City: Tampa
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 844
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kwmeyer13
I am a fireman and the missus is a cop so we are not the sharpest knives in the draw. Was that a shot fired across our bow?
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Absolutely not!
No warning shots here
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Originally Posted by psneeld
I doubt it...I'll bet he considers all of you part of the brotherhood too...
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Thanks neeld
kwmeyer, he is correct. There was no ill will meant by that statement. His comments sounded like something I'd expect to hear come from a cop or firefighter/paramedic . I sent you a pm.
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Originally Posted by Roger Long
...I am sure Cuba is going to open up for US cruisers fairly soon and I would not burn the documentation bridge until I know what the requirements are going to be for vessels visiting there.
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I hear ya.
Heard somewhere that they were planning on seizing non-doc'd vessels to bolster their new Cuban Navy....Just sayin'...
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08-25-2015, 09:32 AM
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#113
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Wannabe
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Name: Stillwater
Vessel Model: Kadey-Krogen 54
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 782
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I had no choice but keep my boat documented - it was still a requirement for my marine mortgage. But as I mentioned before I traveled through Canada and back into the US with only a bill of sale and a copy of the application. I wasn't worried.
Just make the call - you're either worried or not. If you are then get state registration or stay at the dock. If not (like me) then go and enjoy your boat. End of story.
Richard
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08-25-2015, 12:18 PM
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#114
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Guru
City: Inside Passage Summer/Columbia River Winter
Vessel Name: Alaskan Sea-Duction
Vessel Model: 1988 M/Y Camargue YachtFisher
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 8,050
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cottontop
46CFR67.313(a) The person in command of a documented vessel must have on board that vessel the original Certificate of Documentation currently in effect for that vessel.
46CFR67.315(a) The person in command of a documented vessel must produce the original Certificate of Documentation currently in effect for that vessel upon the demand of any person acting in an official public capacity.
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As stated here this has gone way way way (dare I say it?) overboard.
The key to reading the CFR is the words "command of a documented vessel......."
The vessel is NOT yet documented.... Everyone take a deep breath think about a nice place that smells like salt and fish and enjoy. If you are boarded and have a copy of the USCG application and a "travel letter" from the sellers broker you are just fine!
Now, for those still with their panties in a wad, we are at the end of August, we loosing daylight more everyday, CHILL and enjoy the rest of the summer.
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08-25-2015, 12:53 PM
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#115
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Senior Member
City: Freeport, N.Y.
Vessel Name: Guns 'N' Hoses II
Vessel Model: 2004 34' Pilothouse Sedan
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 260
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Just a note to all, no offense was taken with OD's comment. I figured he was kidding and I thought people would know I was kidding when I put that smiley face thing in with my post. My apologies if I ruffled any feathers.
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08-25-2015, 01:13 PM
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#116
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Senior Member
City: Houston
Vessel Name: Alegría
Vessel Model: Overblue 48
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 237
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaskan Sea-Duction
As stated here this has gone way way way (dare I say it?) overboard.
The key to reading the CFR is the words "command of a documented vessel......."
The vessel is NOT yet documented.... Everyone take a deep breath think about a nice place that smells like salt and fish and enjoy. If you are boarded and have a copy of the USCG application and a "travel letter" from the sellers broker you are just fine!
Now, for those still with their panties in a wad, we are at the end of August, we loosing daylight more everyday, CHILL and enjoy the rest of the summer.
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Don't think this is the answer. The OP bought a documented boat. I don't think it became "undocumented" by virtue of being sold. But the COD became obsolete because it has the wrong ownership information on it.
More interesting is the phrase "currently in effect." In the OP's case, no such COD exists.
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08-25-2015, 01:54 PM
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#117
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 28,149
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The person I spoke to at the NVDC didn't seem to indicate that or it flat out just doesn't matter if the vessel is only in recreational use without needing to be documented.
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09-03-2015, 07:15 PM
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#118
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Veteran Member
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 25
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I agree with Roger and being legal. I have been waiting since the first week of April. Watched the process dates on the web site. Tried to call many times after it passed my application date and no one answers or returns calls. I emailed several times now and the webmaster has replied the the email has been forwarded to a supervisor for review. I want to run my boat and not just move it. Yep the system is broke.
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09-03-2015, 08:36 PM
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#119
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Guru
City: Sioux Falls, South Dakota
Vessel Name: Xanadu
Vessel Model: Mainship 37 Motor Yacht
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 2,472
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Run your boat. I'll post your bail when you're arrested by the CG.
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09-04-2015, 08:58 AM
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#120
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Veteran Member
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 25
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I emailed to a different email last night. See what happens
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