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11-12-2017, 08:47 PM
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#241
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Guru
City: Adelaide
Vessel Name: Kokanee
Vessel Model: Cuddles 30 Pilot House Motor Sailer
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 3,218
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Everyone on this forum is far more wealthy than the majority of the world's population, but that doesn't mean you need to be rich to get into boating.
I have been building and buying my own boats since I was 8 years old. Starting with tying logs together on the Kootenay River in BC. , then saving my pocket money to buy a vinyl inflatable to shoot the rapids. I didn't get a power boat until I was 17 (for $100),
I finally splurged the cash on this boat, (almost 50K).
Does that mean I'm now rich?
Probably to many people.
And I feel richer for it, although not in a financial way.
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11-12-2017, 09:11 PM
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#242
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Guru
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 12,569
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"Beauty" is in the eye of the beholder.
"Rich" is in the thought of the holder.
"Wealth" is in one's mind's eye.
"Love" rests in the heart.
"Hate" is consumed by darkness.
Personally... I feel beautifully wealthy - I love both those energies!
Boating of any sort tends to lead to good feelings and fun times of life.
It is my honor and pleasure to be a part of TF; surrounded by persons that for the most part believe in good thoughts and times.
That said: We all have our failings and should look to keep our glass half or more full with bright light consistently shown upon it... so others can enjoy it too!!
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11-12-2017, 10:39 PM
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#243
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,449
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lepke
As long as you don't buy the Queen Mary, most people have the ability to maintain and operate a decent boat .
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No, most people do not. Not most people in this country and certainly not most people in the world.
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11-12-2017, 11:15 PM
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#244
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Guru
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 37
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 1,107
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Skinny
Looks like money is still being discussed as the definition of rich
You can be poor and own a boat, probably would need a small set of hand tools and know how (or as I call it being resourceful or capable of reading). Oh wait, poor people are stupid...that is why they are poor. I guess boat ownership is out of the question then.
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It can also be very rich, possess a boat / vessel and constantly pronounce words and make decisions that do not seem SMART...
No name for a boat make stupid!
NBs
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11-13-2017, 12:42 AM
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#245
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Guru
City: Queensland
Vessel Model: Milkraft 60 converted timber prawn trawler
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 5,482
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lepke
There will always be people with more money than brains. Makes me wonder how they got the money.
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Well said sir.
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11-13-2017, 01:35 AM
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#246
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Guru
City: Sydney
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 1,646
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Boating must be for the rich I have 5
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11-13-2017, 02:10 AM
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#247
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 12,559
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If one doesn't have a companion who uses your money to pay for nail jobs, hair jobs, and expensive shoes and handbags, one is more likely to have a thousand dollars of disposable income every month to maintain the average, modest trawler. ... One needs to make choices.
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11-13-2017, 02:52 AM
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#248
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Guru
City: Queensland
Vessel Model: Milkraft 60 converted timber prawn trawler
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 5,482
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BandB
No, most people do not. Not most people in this country and certainly not most people in the world.
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No shortage of incredibly poor people in other parts of the world enjoying waterfront property and living on boats.
So called smart/rich people go to the office each day to get some time off to do the same.
Some even pay silly money, proving that they are far from smart, to stay in a slightly better version of what the truly poor live in/on.
Thinking various "resort" boats/waterfront in Cambodjia, Vinnaland, Sabah, Pacific Islands.
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11-13-2017, 02:58 AM
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#249
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Guru
City: Queensland
Vessel Model: Milkraft 60 converted timber prawn trawler
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 5,482
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Quote:
Originally Posted by markpierce
If one doesn't have a companion who uses your money to pay for nail jobs, hair jobs, and expensive shoes and handbags, one is more likely to have a thousand dollars of disposable income every month to maintain the average, modest trawler. ... One needs to make choices.
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Exactly.
In addition to that, in Australia, the median house is $500,000+
A decent liveaboard vessel can be had for a fraction of that cost.
I know plenty of house buying dirt dwellers crying poor thinking we must be rich for having what we have.
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11-13-2017, 03:00 AM
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#250
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Guru
City: Sydney
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 1,646
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Simi 60
Exactly.
In addition to that, in Australia, the median house is $500,000+
A decent liveaboard vessel can be had for a fraction of that cost.
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$500,000+ Where ???????/
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11-13-2017, 03:12 AM
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#251
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Guru
City: Queensland
Vessel Model: Milkraft 60 converted timber prawn trawler
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 5,482
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gaston
$500,000+ Where ???????/
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Pretty much anywhere not Sydney.
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11-13-2017, 07:05 AM
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#252
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Moderator Emeritus
City: Chicago, IL
Vessel Name: Bay Pelican
Vessel Model: Krogen 42
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,993
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Cost of boating, depends upon whether you cruise full time (cheaper actually) or just for a couple of months a year. Also depends on whether the boat is stored or cruises in hurricane zones.
Storage for the eight months of the summer season in the Eastern Caribbean for a 42 ft boat is $6,500+ US, while the insurance if available for $200,000 hull value is $4,600+.
Our other expenses of cruising (not meals, clothes) cost another $10,000+. This is of course without major repairs and we have had some over the years (new tanks, new stabilizers, all new appliances).
The same boat stored in Georgia with a cruising geographic limitation of the US and Canada would cost $1,000- $2,000 less in storage and $2,000 less in insurance.
The other expenses would remain about the same.
Friends who cruise full time avoid the storage charges but don't use much more in fuel, and cruise so as to avoid the hurricane zone charges. Significant savings.
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Marty
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11-13-2017, 01:59 PM
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#253
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Guru
City: Southwest MI
Vessel Name: Sobelle
Vessel Model: C-Dory 22 Cruiser
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 1,229
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[QUOTE=Simi 60;609422]... In addition to that, in Australia, the median house is $500,000+ ....
/QUOTE]
US or Aussie dollars?
If Aussie dollars, $500k = ~US$380K
Still not that cheap, but better.
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11-13-2017, 02:51 PM
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#254
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Guru
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 22,553
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https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/chl...306949216.html
On on this site,
$30K for 50 ft and you have a big robust cruiser that only needs a dock for fuel and water, fully winter able,
BUT its built for 2 , not an army.
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11-13-2017, 02:59 PM
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#255
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Guru
City: Great Lakes
Vessel Model: OA 440
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 904
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The annual cost differential between having the 45' boat to live aboard on the Great Lakes for three summer months versus staying in the dirt dwelling is about $14,000 (not counting fuel or depreciation). I do all routine maintenance including bottom paint. Add depreciation on the boat over the past ten years and it jumps to about $18,000 annually.
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11-13-2017, 03:14 PM
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#256
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Guru
City: Southern Maine
Vessel Model: Prairie 36 Coastal Cruiser
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,714
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Wow, who dredged up this old post?
When I was dirt poor, I always had a boat. Admittedly, a modest boat, but always something suitable for coastal waters. It can be done. It's all about priorities.
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11-13-2017, 04:44 PM
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#257
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Guru
City: Sydney
Vessel Name: Sojourn
Vessel Model: Integrity 386
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 13,293
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[QUOTE=ssobol;609541]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Simi 60
... In addition to that, in Australia, the median house is $500,000+ ....
/QUOTE]
US or Aussie dollars?
If Aussie dollars, $500k = ~US$380K
Still not that cheap, but better.
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The median Sydney house price is north of $1.1M. AUD of course. And that`s after prices eased/stabilized.
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BruceK
2005 Integrity 386 "Sojourn"
Sydney Australia
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11-13-2017, 05:20 PM
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#258
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Guru
City: North Carolina for now
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 6,348
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Do the math on a square foot under HVAC basis then see how it equates.
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George
"There's the Right Way, the Wrong Way, and what some guy says he's gotten away with"
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11-13-2017, 05:51 PM
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#259
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Guru
City: Sydney
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 1,646
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Quote:
Originally Posted by caltexflanc
Do the math on a square foot under HVAC basis then see how it equates.
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Dont forget windows in the maths they can double the BTUs needed for the same space
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11-14-2017, 04:51 AM
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#260
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Guru
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 22,553
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For one to live aboard at low cost , it can seldom be done in a marina.
However many marinas have anchorages that are quite easy on the wallet.
In expensive CT a mooring installed by the marina can be rented for $100 a month , that gives dink, parking, water fill and dumpster use.
If the folks can outfit the boat for a full live aboard lifestyle (easy with modern boat and RV gear) 3 seasons are easy.
A slip is best in winter , both for some electric and for ease of bringing food and fuel on board when the water is frozen.
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