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Old 10-21-2015, 11:09 PM   #1
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3RD failed survey this year

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$3000 down the drain or $100000 saved .Just had a phone call from my surveyor to say he would pass the boat for insurances purposes but would walk away for other reasons. Hull was good engines gearbox all good electrics could do with a few days work fuel tanks good wood work and interior could do with a few days work but the thing that he said that stood out was there are many small new repairs that have been done by some one that knows what they were doing in other words many fix ups for sale .
Im over buying another boat in Australia seems everything for sale is other ppl junk


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Old 10-22-2015, 01:13 AM   #2
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So fixing things up before the sale is a negative!?
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Old 10-22-2015, 01:27 AM   #3
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So fixing things up before the sale is a negative!?
Fixing things and tarting things up for sale is a dead give away
In this case they were hiding things which lead to looking for more things that had been missed which were found .



Now I find the boat has had 3 other surveys in the last 8 months ??
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Old 10-22-2015, 01:40 AM   #4
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What sort of boat are you thinking of getting? I`m thinking about buying a bigger boat maybe next year, but I cant make my mind up, another Riv?, aft cab displacement cruiser?, even though about a sports cruiser until my mate slapped me, the Admiral isnt to bothered as long as it has a walk around bed instead of the v birth, and twin shaft diesels
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What sort of boat are you thinking of getting? I`m thinking about buying a bigger boat maybe next year, but I cant make my mind up, another Riv?, aft cab displacement cruiser?, even though about a sports cruiser until my mate slapped me, the Admiral isnt to bothered as long as it has a walk around bed instead of the v birth, and twin shaft diesels

Must have walk around 110% be shaft drive fiberglass with fly bridge prefer 35 to 38 foot nothing bigger don't need any more than 4 bunks wife and self 99% galley must have view . With little choice in Australia it comes down to GB ? Clipper 36 Heritage, Mainship 38, Integrity 38 prefer single engine around 5 to 8 years old Importing is now a option


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Old 10-22-2015, 02:20 AM   #6
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What make was this most recent disappointment? Obviously an attractive boat that does not withstand survey. That`s tough.
There are 2 near new used Integrity 38s advertised, FB and Sedan, they should be good condition boats, but priced north of 400K.
Edit: A thought, I`ve always been present at surveys, it wasn`t so beneficial last time but normally it does help, being there might enable you to pull out early if the signs are bad.
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Old 10-22-2015, 02:32 AM   #7
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What make was this most recent disappointment? Obviously an attractive boat that does not withstand survey. That`s tough.
There are 2 near new used Integrity 38s advertised, FB and Sedan, they should be good condition boats, but priced north of 400K.


It was a Clipper 36 Heritage meeting with the surveyor tomorrow to find out more
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Hi Gaston,

What is your budget ? I will keep an eye out for you.
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Have you had a look at this one? Used 2007 DEFEVER 36 SUNDECK Boat For Sale - boatpoint.com.au
We had a look at her and she seemed pretty clean.

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What is your budget ? I will keep an eye out for you.
2 to 300k
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Have you had a look at this one? Used 2007 DEFEVER 36 SUNDECK Boat For Sale - boatpoint.com.au
We had a look at her and she seemed pretty clean.


Nice boat but not what Im looking for not keen on green engines Wanting a tug/trawler boat "Mainship 38" would tick all my boxes .Or cut mine in 1/2 and ad 10ft
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Old 10-22-2015, 06:40 AM   #12
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Don't be fooled , many if not most surveyors will down grade enough of the boat , they hope, to pay for their services .

"but the thing that he said that stood out was there are many small new repairs that have been done by some one that knows what they were doing in other words many fix ups for sale"

So what is the problem ? ."small new repairs that have been done by some one that knows what they were doing"

Even if the DID NOT know what they were doing , it sounds minor.

A new boat before delivery survey will discover more wrong than this.
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Must have walk around 110% be shaft drive fiberglass with fly bridge prefer 35 to 38 foot nothing bigger don't need any more than 4 bunks wife and self 99% galley must have view . With little choice in Australia it comes down to GB ? Clipper 36 Heritage, Mainship 38, Integrity 38 prefer single engine around 5 to 8 years old Importing is now a option


Can't tell if you've seen this or not, nor whether it might come close to your criteria or not:

Okay, single or twin??

Grand Banks 36 by Riviera, see posts 180, 182, 192, 194, 196, 197, 199, 200, 205, 206.

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Don't be fooled , many if not most surveyors will down grade enough of the boat , they hope, to pay for their services .

"but the thing that he said that stood out was there are many small new repairs that have been done by some one that knows what they were doing in other words many fix ups for sale"

So what is the problem ? ."small new repairs that have been done by some one that knows what they were doing"

Even if the DID NOT know what they were doing , it sounds minor.

A new boat before delivery survey will discover more wrong than this.
I'd have to agree.
Just like a home, if there are problems, you want them professionally/properly corrected before purchase, or reduce the sale amount appropriately, right?

I don't see the issue.

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I just completed a survey last week, cost 2500 with boat survey, engine survey, and haul out.

Here were the major findings, never mind the 20 other minor ones!

Engine survey could not be completed because of fuel supply issues to port engine
After cooler hoses bulging because of blocked coolers
The bottom has been severely neglected, epoxy and gel layers damage.
Two of the four AC units are not working
Both AC pumps are corroded and leaking
The DC panel ammeter has been bypassed and is not to code.
The forward sonar is not working
The autopilot is not working,
The RL 70c is destroyed
Shaft bearings need replaced
Through hull leak at port side exhaust
Leaking holding tank with sewage in master cabin
Six gel batteries that are 12 years old and overheating ($400-$600 each)
The AC outlets are not correctly wired (wired through the inverter)
No idea if the davit or outboard works
Port flow scan bouncing all over the place

Now can all of these be fixed with money - yep. But my feedback to the selling broker was that this boat was not ready for sale and certainly nor ready for a sea trial. Extremely frustrating that these brokers/sellers hope that everything works during a survey/trial and have no qualms about passing on a boat with severe issues.

Caveat emptor.
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[QUOTE=gaston;381483]Rant
$3000 down the drain or $100000 saved

Go with $100,000 saved. Ben there and was happy it only cost me the survey.

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I just completed a survey last week, cost 2500 with boat survey, engine survey, and haul out.

Here were the major findings, never mind the 20 other minor ones!

Engine survey could not be completed because of fuel supply issues to port engine
After cooler hoses bulging because of blocked coolers
The bottom has been severely neglected, epoxy and gel layers damage.
Two of the four AC units are not working
Both AC pumps are corroded and leaking
The DC panel ammeter has been bypassed and is not to code.
The forward sonar is not working
The autopilot is not working,
The RL 70c is destroyed
Shaft bearings need replaced
Through hull leak at port side exhaust
Leaking holding tank with sewage in master cabin
Six gel batteries that are 12 years old and overheating ($400-$600 each)
The AC outlets are not correctly wired (wired through the inverter)
No idea if the davit or outboard works
Port flow scan bouncing all over the place

Now can all of these be fixed with money - yep. But my feedback to the selling broker was that this boat was not ready for sale and certainly nor ready for a sea trial. Extremely frustrating that these brokers/sellers hope that everything works during a survey/trial and have no qualms about passing on a boat with severe issues.

Caveat emptor.
Prior to making an offer and going to official survey, a reputable seller/broker representing a well found vessel will allow a serious buyer to insure basic systems are working. I have done this on 4 boats in the past 3 years. Only when said vessel is perfect in mine and expert eyes did we consider survey.
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Prior to making an offer and going to official survey, a reputable seller/broker representing a well found vessel will allow a serious buyer to insure basic systems are working. I have done this on 4 boats in the past 3 years. Only when said vessel is perfect in mine and expert eyes did we consider survey.
Problem is with vessels that are a distance away. This particular one is five and a half hours away. So an 11 hour round trip.

Earlier this year we drove seven hours each way to see a boat in Southport NC that the broker told us was pristine. It took us about five-ten minutes to walk away.
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Prior to making an offer and going to official survey, a reputable seller/broker representing a well found vessel will allow a serious buyer to insure basic systems are working. I have done this on 4 boats in the past 3 years. Only when said vessel is perfect in mine and expert eyes did we consider survey.

Well said Sunchaser.

What I would add to another post is that ANY boat can be for sale in ANY condition.. there is no such thing as "ready for sale" .

A boat may not be ready for sea, or functional. Anything for sale has some value to someone, it appears as though the O.P wants a new perfect boat for a used boat price.. like we have not seen that before.

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Well said Sunchaser.

What I would add to another post is that ANY boat can be for sale in ANY condition.. there is no such thing as "ready for sale" .

A boat may not be ready for sea, or functional. Anything for sale has some value to someone, it appears as though the O.P wants a new perfect boat for a used boat price.. like we have not seen that before.

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I just wanted one where the engine didn't quit mid-sea trial!
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