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Old 12-06-2018, 11:31 AM   #341
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Thanks. Is there a washer/dryer or a place for one? And seems like the 44 has a larger flybridge overhang for possible kayaks, etc.

And the 44 does not have a port door across from the lower helm, but the 42 does. Seems that would be awful handy for solo docking.

And do these boats really to 25 knots at 1 mpg like the brochure says? That would sure be nice when someone's chasing me.
Washer/dryer is an option. Typically goes in the guest stateroom and eats up most of the drawers. I did not care for having one even though I was on the boat for most of the past year because I had enough clothes to last a few weeks and would just do one big trip to whatever marina I was at laundry room. I heard the combo washer/dryers are not that great and can't handle large loads. I also have a dog that sheds and like to keep hair minimal so I prefer a regular dryer to collect the dog hair especially from bedding.

I have seen people get brackets for hanging kayaks off the fly bridge on either side. I have to look into that as we plan to get two kayaks next season. I don't know if they would mount on the over hang, side bridge side, or rail (if rail, I dont know if they can support the weight). I have also seen them laid on the port walk way and even strapped down on the bow either side. I like to try to distribute the weight because more of the storage is on the port side including the dinghy, cabinets in salon, cockpit under seat storage, and galley. I was carrying a large amount of spare tools, parts, and supplies that ended up on the port side, causing a slight list but that was because I was doing 4,000 miles of travel and wanted to be very prepared. It was mostly resolved when I removed the extra items and re-organized. I really did have a ton of stuff including barrels of oil, extra fluids for transmission, coolant, etc, the list goes on.

I solo docked many times on the ST44. I usually requested a dock stern-in starboard side tie. Some times I have had to do bow-in to keep access to the side door. Rare I had to do stern-in port side tie but its happened a couple times and I required docking assistance in those cases.

25-26 knots is top-end, depending on conditions (wind, currents, seas, etc), load, and whether bimini top is deployed. You will probably see .9mpg maybe 1mpg if you are lucky. I would not run at that speed often. I think Volvo says 1 hour every 8 is fine. I tend to exercise her by going up to WOT (3630 rpm) for a minute, then running 5 minutes at 3500 rpm (what engine is rated for), 5 minutes at 3400, 5 minutes at 3300, and then cruise at 3000-3250 rpm or some times hull speed at a lower rpm). If you do decide to follow Volvo who says 1 hour per 8 at WOT is fine, I would stick to 3500rpm max and try to break it up so 30 mins every 4 hours. Volvo also says 90% of top RPM is fine for cruise so 3250 is usually a pretty even #. I would say a more realistic higher speed cruise is 20 knots and that would again vary on conditions, load, and whether or not the bimini top is deployed. I was in some strong currents on some rivers that slowed me down almost 10 mph. Removing that extreme, you will probably lose 1-2mph with bimini top deployed, gain or lose 1-2 mph for going with/against a typical current, same for wind. I just did a trip I had done a couple months ago. The first time, I was with the tide and wind, and was at 25-26mph, absolutely ideal conditions. I averaged 1 mpg and that was at 3250 rpm. At 3000 rpm I think I was a tick over 1mpg and 23mph. This more recent time I was against the wind and current and was at 22mph at about .9-95 mpg at 3250 rpm and I think 18-19mph was .95-1mpg at 3000 rpm but can't recall. Brochures, Boattest #s, and what the manufacturer says the boat can do is not usually real world. Full tank of fuel, water, gear, people, currents, wind, seas, etc, all need to be considered.
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Old 12-06-2018, 11:38 AM   #342
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What's an OAL and WLL?


OAL Overall length
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Old 12-06-2018, 03:06 PM   #343
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WLL Water line length
OAL Over all length
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Old 12-06-2018, 04:52 PM   #344
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WLL Waterline length
LOA Length overall
There's another being tossed in a lot now too. Deck length. The length without appendages such as swim platforms and anchor pulpits.
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There's another being tossed in a lot now too. Deck length. The length without appendages such as swim platforms and anchor pulpits.
Ah, so many ways to deceive the buyer. LOL
Unless the owner can find someone willing to sleep on the swim platform, the only reason to count it is, because every other builder it doing it. Plus, you rent a slip by the foot, the harbor master may come out and remeasure your boat to include the swim platform.
Although my boat is documented as a 34.5, throw in the swim platform then, I have a 36.5ft boat.
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Good info and thx for replying.

Re the washer/dryer... it's a must for me. After doing the loop with the Splendide combo washer/dryer I loved it. Very easy to just throw a small load in and forget about it. Very easy and worked very well. And, I HATE laundromats. Nothing worse that waiting for clothes to wash or dry. Reminds me of college days when I was broke. If I had to go to a laundromat, I'd never wash my clothes. Just by new and throw the dirty ones out.

The speeds sound great. Anyone have that experience with the Yanmar? I'm going for the Yanmar as I'm just not a fan of Volvo.... been there and had bad experience with three engines. Yanmar has been great and great support.

As for the kayak on the boat, sounds doable.

Thx for all the replies!
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Old 12-06-2018, 08:40 PM   #347
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Good info and thx for replying.

Re the washer/dryer... it's a must for me. After doing the loop with the Splendide combo washer/dryer I loved it. Very easy to just throw a small load in and forget about it. Very easy and worked very well. And, I HATE laundromats. Nothing worse that waiting for clothes to wash or dry. Reminds me of college days when I was broke. If I had to go to a laundromat, I'd never wash my clothes. Just by new and throw the dirty ones out.

The speeds sound great. Anyone have that experience with the Yanmar? I'm going for the Yanmar as I'm just not a fan of Volvo.... been there and had bad experience with three engines. Yanmar has been great and great support.

As for the kayak on the boat, sounds doable.

Thx for all the replies!
I hate laundromats too. I was suggesting that many marinas have machines. I'd put in a load, go have a drink or run an errand, come back switch, work on the boat, and then pick up my clothes. Usually didnt have to walk far and didnt spend much time because I only did maybe three loads of laundry every three weeks usually at the same time as long as the marina had multiple machines. To each their own.

This thread is about the ST44 so I dont know how much insight you are going to get on the ST42. I agree that Volvo's support stinks. I have owned many boats and they couldnt answer simple questions for me and kept saying ask or go to a dealer. Other manufacturers have been more helpful. Their dealer network is also weak and parts expensive.
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Mystery,

Thanks much. Realize this is about the 44 which I may end up with but pushing my budget for this size boat. Seems like they are VERY similar and a really clean 42 seems like it would fit my needs well. It's very interesting learning the differences.

Thanks for the info!
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Old 12-06-2018, 10:23 PM   #349
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There is a 42 for sale here. I`m thinking of a change, but learning from TF about the 44, which I assume is an improved version of the 42,makes me me nervous. At least with this one, the added issue of Volvo engines and their turbos and exhaust systems is absent. That aside, it looks a lovely comfortable cruising boat reasonably priced.
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Hi Bruce,
I like the mention about the props and rudder being concealed from damage and the ability to park her on the beach. Taking this feature to extremes could one possibly consider actually 'parking' her on the beach at some of those less than comfortable anchorages?
Imagine no rockin' n rollin' overnight at some of those crappy anchorages we all encounter.
Would she really sit flat so you could walk about the boat between tides ? or just flop over and sit at an angle and be impractable.
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Hi Bruce,
I like the mention about the props and rudder being concealed from damage and the ability to park her on the beach. Taking this feature to extremes could one possibly consider actually 'parking' her on the beach at some of those less than comfortable anchorages?
Imagine no rockin' n rollin' overnight at some of those crappy anchorages we all encounter.
Would she really sit flat so you could walk about the boat between tides ? or just flop over and sit at an angle and be impracticable.
I doubt anything would save the rock & roll of that little Bay we tried, for the first and last time. Though I did stop there briefly last week to check a newly replaced fuel line "issue", now resolved.
Wonder how the hull would deal with the uneven loadings of beaching? I think it`s common practice in the(?non tidal) San Francisco Delta, I don`t see it done here.
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I doubt anything would save the rock & roll of that little Bay we tried, for the first and last time. Though I did stop there briefly last week to check a newly replaced fuel line "issue", now resolved.
Wonder how the hull would deal with the uneven loadings of beaching? I think it`s common practice in the(?non tidal) San Francisco Delta, I don`t see it done here.
The San Francisco Delta is tidal. Maybe less so when you get further inland. I had a duck club on Grizzly Island for many years so this I am sure of. The water is brackish which, means it's a mix of fresh and salt water. So it is open to the bay. I know this because I used to take my boat from Redwood City to my club on Montezuma Slough and sometimes all the way up to Sacramento. They did put a lock at one end of Montezuma Slough to keep the salt water out. They call it a salinity gate. That would definitely reduce the tidal action but it was just at one end of the slough. The other end was open to Grizzly Bay, which was connected to San Pablo Bay by way of the Suisun Straights if my memory is correct. And San Pablo Bay connects to San Francisco Bay. Then you have a whole other entrance to the delta by way of Pittsburg all the way up to Stockton. There is a lot of great cruising in the San Francisco Bay Delta. I remember how fast those sloughs would run when the tide was running.

I spent all cruising season of 2018 on the water in Washington and British Columbia. No marinas, anchored in coves. I was surprised that I was never bothered by rocking at anchor like I did in my Carver C34. The slightest wind waves and the Carver would go sideways to the waves and rock and roll to such an extent that it was very uncomfortable. When at anchor my NP45 goes nose to the wind and is completely comfortable even in 20 knot winds. My Carver had a planing hull and my North Pacific is a trawler with a semi displacement hull. The only thing that I can figure is that planing hulls do not do well at anchor. I don't know what kind of a hull the swift trawlers have but my guess is more of a planing hull than semi displacement. So they can get up and go. My North Pacific cruises at 8 knots with a max of 11 knots. It's slow but very comfortable. The one thing that I miss with a SD hull is being able to run faster than a following sea. A following sea can be very uncomfortable in a slow trawler! I never thought anything of it in my Carver. Just bump up the speed and enjoy a smooth ride. Can't do that in a slow trawler. Everything is a compromise with a boat.
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Old 12-17-2018, 12:22 PM   #353
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If anyone has a rear cockpit enclosure, rear cockpit seat cover, or windshield covers that they are not using and want to sell, please do let me know! Preferred color is grey but won't be too picky! Thanks!
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