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Old 07-07-2015, 07:09 PM   #61
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The first photo is a typical Beneteau nickel plated, NPS brass ball valve fitted on a brass NPT throughull. Note there is no backing plate nor an NPT/NPS adapter.

The second photo is a proper flanged seacock installation with both flange and throughull being NPS.
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Old 07-07-2015, 07:14 PM   #62
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and one more photo to show why NPT/NPS should concern you.
Note how few of the NPT threads (left side) are actually engaged in the NPS fitting.
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Old 07-07-2015, 08:21 PM   #63
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Good info, Poker. I'm sure NPS has it's place, but I avoid it whenever it's possible. I recently watched a friend put a very high quality european hot-water heater in his Krogen. The heater had all NPS fittings. Getting it to stop leaking was a real trial.
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Old 07-08-2015, 06:12 AM   #64
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"Beneteau" = Bayliner in French

Any and every method to reducing production cost!
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Old 07-08-2015, 09:50 AM   #65
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"Beneteau" = Bayliner in French

Any and every method to reducing production cost!

Correction!!

"Beneteau" = Bayliner Wannabe in French"
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Old 07-08-2015, 11:36 AM   #66
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Any boat manufacturer that would do this on a production boat should be shut down. I would find it very hard to believe that in 2015 anyone is doing this but there are a lot of small builders of boats.
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Old 07-08-2015, 12:16 PM   #67
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Beneteau is a mass producer of boats, and unfortulately they happen not to be a U.S. based company. I tried very hard to find an equivalent U.S. based value but those which I compared were not built to the same standards as the Beneteau, thus my final choice going their direction. To put this in perspective consider that 99% of the automobiles built today are also mass produced in the same fashion. Beneteau's production methods are very efficient, because of this. They spend a lot of time with customers feedback to learn what they can do better and each year more improvements show up on their boats. Sometimes simple things like the new rain guard above the salon window where the upper deck drains, and sometimes major things like upgrading from the 5.9 Cummins to the 6.7 (both are still available, do you think that was a cost cutting measure?), and every year upgrading the electronics to the latest. Every year Ms. Beneteau (the owner) gets together with her world-wide sales staff to ask them about what customers want, or what they don't like about the boats, and they fix those things. They are passionate about their products all the way to the top. Boat for boat, their safety record is unparalelled over many decades. Beneteau is a very well run company, and being in France that is quite an accomplishment on its own as they are dealing in the Euro. They own Jeanneau, and other very good but affordable boat lines. Beneteau is best described as the "Chevrolet" of boats, not the Bayliner of boats. Bayliner have given up on big boats and comparing them to Beneteau is complete ignorance exhibited. Bayliner is great with small entry level runabouts, no question about that, and they are well made today. Contrary to leaving the big boats business, Beneteau is one of the fastest growing boat manufacturers in the world, and it is due to the products they make, and the value. I've had BMW's, Land Rovers, Oldsmobiles, etc. over the years but I drive Chevrolet's today. Today's Chevy is much better than any BMW or Land Rover I owned, by a long shot. Look at the content of a Swift 34; QSB6.7 Cummins engine, arguably the most advanced diesel of its size on the water today, top of the line Onan Generator, Isolated end grained cubed balsa-core decks and hull (over 1" thick, very strong, can't waterlog due to the fiberglass barriers between cubes, solid as a rock), vacuum bagged fiberglass infusion process to be sure the glass gets between the balsa cubes, they use the top fiberglass resins available anywhere (due to EPA ones that can't be used in the US any more I am told), Raymarine very latest electronics, Fusion stereo equipment throughout, bow and stern thrusters with dual batteries standard, fully optioned under $400,000. If this boat were custom built this way it would be at least $600,000 or more to do it if it could even be done by a smaller builder. And the company is financially healthy; always have been. I doubt the method they use of end grain cube type balsa coring the hull and decks could even be done by any custom builder. I have benefitted greatly from this forum, and learned a lot about seacocks and valves. Having owned boats my whole life including a very well built Donzi cabin cruiser that I miss dearly, and a Ranger run-about that defined boat building perfection, and some other aluminum junk from the past that I am better off to forget, I have an eye for quality but I am a newbie to trawlers only having researched for 4 years to decide what new one I wanted to purchase. I think trashing mass produced boats is based on ignorance more than actual knowledge, and really doesn't belong on a forum unless the builder of the boat deserves it. Beneteau's are in demand these days and they also have very good resale value. I think that speaks volumes.
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I really appreciate the education about seacocks and valves and connections.
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Old 07-08-2015, 03:41 PM   #69
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I think you'll be one more of many dozens of very happy Beneteau Swift Trawler owners. While I said not my choice before knowing you'd already purchased one and in response to the original OP, I think now knowing you're purchasing one some of the posts have been a bit disrespectful of you, unintentionally, in disrespecting the boat. It's like most brands, there are those who love it and those who don't. Just don't let the negative comments discourage you. Everyone I've talked to who actually owned one has liked it. Many have repurchased larger models. They are what they are and fill a niche and is largely ignored otherwise.

You clearly have done your homework, just enjoy.

I do agree with you regarding mass producers as well. Forgetting Beneteau for a second, Bayliner has endured the test of time. Sea Ray builds excellent boats. Meanwhile there are some low volume producers building junk. Nothing inherently negative about mass producers.
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Thanks, that said the customs, antiques, and high end american boats are the most intriguing to me. Im just looking fir a safe way to get started so i chose what i could afford that was new. Someday a Grand Banks or Marlowe maybe?
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Old 07-08-2015, 07:21 PM   #71
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Joebad,
You are obviously invested, so am I, but I can tell you that absolutely no one from Beneteau has ever contacted me about my experience. Maybe a form letter / survey, at the most. We bought a new ST 44 in Annapolis in 2012 and feel kind of invisible.

By the way, we're very happy with the vessel. Most of the issues we've had have been resolved by the dealer or my engineering, but some remain open.

Always hungry for info. Thanks to you all.
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I understand beneteau dont contact you directly but my dealer was flown to france to convey their experiences with customers and they told me dealers from around the world were brought to the annual event. Je said Ms Beneteau wanted to know each and every complaint or suggestion about each boat model and that this is a ritual with her. So they get the customer input from the dealers, much the same as the automakers do. That system is not perfect but it is good. Beneteau knows of your problems through the dealer because undoubtedly they paid for any warranty related work. Well stop by and see you this winter!!


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I understand beneteau dont contact you directly but my dealer was flown to france to convey their experiences with customers and they told me dealers from around the world were brought to the annual event. Je said Ms Beneteau wanted to know each and every complaint or suggestion about each boat model and that this is a ritual with her. So they get the customer input from the dealers, much the same as the automakers do. That system is not perfect but it is good. Beneteau knows of your problems through the dealer because undoubtedly they paid for any warranty related work. Well stop by and see you this winter!!


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There is one problem with them trusting all the feedback to the dealer. It's all censored and sculpted by the dealer. If it reflects negatively on the dealer or sounds like the dealer is being too critical then it's not going to reach above. Dealer feedback is good, but manufacturers are smart to also at least get some random direct customer input.

What Ms. Beneteau wants may not be what she gets. Too many people screening below her.
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Any boat manufacturer that would do this on a production boat should be shut down. I would find it very hard to believe that in 2015 anyone is doing this but there are a lot of small builders of boats.

Big builder , small builder all the EU boats are regulated to some standard.

That this hole in the bottom meets ANY "standard" is unreal.
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Here is a (poor) photo showing a thru-hull which leads to a strainer for my A/C.

What do you think?
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The ball valve looks like the one Boatpoker posted in #61 (top photo).
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The use of straight threads puzzles me. Tapered threads are designed to compress creating both sealing and strength. Straight threads just keep turning into each other and will clamp things together like nuts and bolts but where does the sealing take place?
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Old 07-09-2015, 11:35 AM   #78
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Here is a (poor) photo showing a thru-hull which leads to a strainer for my A/C.



What do you think?

I think that strainer is in adequate, also not the proper valve/ sea cock. Also it looks like the output of the HVAC pump output manifold isn't supported and can easily break with light flexing applied.
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Good point!!
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Old 09-01-2015, 11:25 PM   #80
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Joe,
I know that you're on your new 34.
How about the report on the sea cocks (ball valve discussion).
Other observations?
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