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Old 10-07-2012, 07:11 AM   #81
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I wonder if it is a poorly supported low-run model or if the local Volvo Penta dealer isn't working hard to get the part.

With the air police now world wide , fewer eng MFG can afford the costs involved with meeting some burorats requirements.

Few have ever been on a ship or a boat and create mandates from the Ozone.

The number of actual eng. Mfg is shrinking.

So finding out WHO actually built the engine , not who stuck a marinization kit on it is the secret to parts for "old stuff".

Lots of Yanmar came from Toyota or now BMW.

Some John Deere are claimed to be a Jap bulldozer take out.

Check around , ask an engine rebuilding shop.
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Old 10-07-2012, 08:13 AM   #82
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maybe a V6 volvo car engine is the same thing? as far as the camshaft goes, it somthing to explore?
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Old 10-07-2012, 09:30 AM   #83
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sorry i meant to say a volvo diesel V6 truck engine
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Old 10-07-2012, 09:48 AM   #84
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Marin - If you can post the engine year, model and the part number your buddy needs, might be someone in TF that can locate his part. I've three avenues to explore here and would be pleased to make a few calls to marine mechanical experts I know... one is a volvo specialist. Boaters helping boaters is one thing we all can share! - Art
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In this case it would be like a new private pilot offering to explain to Boeing's chief pilot how ailerons work.
That's a rather arrogant statement IMO. An offer of assistance is shot down with a cheap analogy. Why not use the combined brain trust of the forum to help solve the problem?
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Old 10-07-2012, 10:19 AM   #85
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Marin - If you can post the engine year, model and the part number your buddy needs, might be someone in TF that can locate his part.

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In this case it would be like a new private pilot offering to explain to Boeing's chief pilot how ailerons work.


Marin - If your buddy would accept some assistance to maybe solve his Volvo part need... He should be able to easily provide you these stats: Engine year, model and the part number required.

I have discussions at yacht harbors’ holiday get togethers with lead mechanic/owner of a Volvo specialist company on Northern Spy’s comprehensive list (see post # 69); he also has assisted my needs to locate engine parts. Additionally, I am associated with mechanic/owner of the top ranked marine mechanic group in Sausalito (Tom has personally worked on one of my boats’ engine’s and finds me parts when needed; he is on the BOD of Spaulding Wooden Boat Center http://www.spauldingcenter.org/). Also, I located my Tolly in top mechanical condition via the “seasoned” master mechanic that handles diesel engines on 130’ boats for Raley’s Supermarkets, as well as being consultant to other big organizations’ yacht mechanical needs. If none of the three I know can't locate the Volvo part then maybe someone else in TF has connections to locate that part. If your buddy wants broad exposure to assist him in locating the part he needs... all he has to do is provide: Volvo engine year, model and the part number. I can call all three I mention here any day. If they don’t have access to the part... they might know who does! - Art
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Marin - If you can post the engine year, model and the part number your buddy needs, might be someone in TF that can locate his part. I've three avenues to explore here and would be pleased to make a few calls to marine mechanical experts I know... one is a volvo specialist. Boaters helping boaters is one thing we all can share! - Art

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In this case it would be like a new private pilot offering to explain to Boeing's chief pilot how ailerons work.

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That's a rather arrogant statement IMO. An offer of assistance is shot down with a cheap analogy. Why not use the combined brain trust of the forum to help solve the problem?
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Peter – That’s the way of Marin... he’s a writer and likes to play with words. I feel his statement is harmless overall. I always try to give every statement by anyone the benefit of doubt and think this post by Marin was not meant to be too invasive, just thought provoking. Right Marin??

PS: If you can do it... Don't forget to get the Volvo year, model, and part # from your boat buddy. In addition to me, is seems clear that others on TF are ready to jump to the cause of helping to locate it!
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Old 10-07-2012, 10:52 AM   #87
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I always enjoy the insights on this forurm, My Volvo was originally considered for its inline six configurations and its relatively low rpm full power rating. This was important since the hydraulic pump being driven had a low maximum allowed rpm input rating. Now if I can get 14 knots out of it.
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Hearsay? The guy who owns the engine with the problem told me in person what the problem is and his experience with Volvo and you consider that hearsay?

There are people--- not many thank goodness-- who believe that no information or experience is valid unless it is experienced by them directly. Which means that advice or information related by others, or worse, is related by someone who heard it from one of the "others," is automatically not be believed and thus has no credibility because it was not experienced in person.

That, to me, is a very blindered and limiting way to live, to dismiss all information unless one has experienced it all himself. That means that marine sanitation advice from Peggie Hall, or wood finishing advice from shipwright Bob Lowe on the Grand Banks forum, or someone who got advice from Peggie or Bob and is passing it on to me, I should dismiss as "hearsay" and not give it any credibility because the advice is not something I learned by doing it myself.

I've known a few people like that-- nothing is to be believed unless one does or experiences it oneself---- and always found them to be extremely boring, uninteresting people with little to nothing of value to offer.
Marin, Many of the posts on this forum are not much more than personal insults and your post does not dissapoint in this respect. When a person has to resort to insults to make a point, it is either because the point cannot stand on its own merit or the person lacks the vocabulary skils to make the point sucessfully.

That said, it's a shame you had to say so much to say so little. Your friend is not Peggie Hall or this Bob Lowe person, he is just some guy you know. For all we know, he is the villiage idiot who couldn't find a six pack in a convenience store.

You are asking us to believe that nowhere in the world is this engine part available, new, used, or rebuilt and that this is the fault of the engine manufacturer.

I have a hard time accepting this allegation, but even if it is true, it's hardly the fault of the manufacturer. Every piece of machinery and every living thing has an end of life. There comes a time when it's done and cannot be revived.

We have, on this thread, several people who own and operate Volvo engined boats and they report a high level of satisfaction with them.

On the other hand, we have some people who don't own Volvos, but know about "some guy" who has trouble getting parts or is replacing perfectly good engines because of fears of difficulty finding parts.

Intelligent people will take one thing from this thread, gullible people will take something else away. Let's hope logic and common sense prevails.
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I "don't know some guy." I AM one of many guys that cannot find Volvo parts due to Volvo's blase attitude toward their customers. One of those "Volvo" dealers is in San Diego. I visited his place of business which turned out to be a junkyard and priced a part for my engine. The negotiations did not go well so I counted my fingers when I left and went home for a hot shower.
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I "don't know some guy." I AM one of many guys that cannot find Volvo parts due to Volvo's blase attitude toward their customers. One of those "Volvo" dealers is in San Diego. I visited his place of business which turned out to be a junkyard and priced a part for my engine. The negotiations did not go well so I counted my fingers when I left and went home for a hot shower.
Cute. You counted your fingers?

Try on-line. Or another Volvo parts place. Just because you thought one looked like a jumkyard doesn't mean they all are and not all businesses are in the habit of negotiating prices.

Just for kicks I did a web search on a Volvo part number (impeller kit) and Google came back with several pages of vendors.
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Old 10-07-2012, 07:40 PM   #91
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I'm waiting for paint to dry so I have to much free time. On the Krogen forum, the Volvo parts debate is active. Here are a couple of posts. We have a Ford Lehman so no connection to Volvo or their parts department.

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Nope, I have Depco rebuild my RAW water pumps but it ain't no $200 dollars because there are proprietary volvo peices in it. I think the last raw water pump they did for me was about $380. A new one from Volvo is over $500.

What's leaking now is the fresh water pump behind the front engine case. If it were just a few dollars and a day of my time I MIGHT go ahead and fix it, but I get so pissed off everytime I call Volvo parts, it just doesn't seem worth it anymore. The guy's are real nice but they always say something like "WOW! Are you sitting down?" "I'm sorry but you better sit down this is unbelievable!"


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I agree with all of the other posts BUT...2 things, the first doesn't apply to you as I bought a ......... with very LOW engine hours (bad thing) and while the engine has been reliable, I have had to continually replace parts. Being a Volvo, I have spent over $8K over the last 4 years on relatively minor bolt on parts. If I hadn't done the work myself the cost would have been close to double. I finally have had it. Just last week the fresh water pump started leaking and the easiest way to fix that is to get the parts from Volvo and pull the engine to be able to properly work on the front. If I am going to pull the engine it'll be to replace it with a non Volvo engine, as I'm sick and tired of their astronomically priced parts.

That leads to the second thing I was going to tell you that does apply to you, Volvo parts are crazy expensive. Take for example the heat exchange core that I replaced 2 years ago. The cost of the core was $2100 + the cost the O-rings. In Volvos' defense, this engine wasn't run enough over the years with me putting the majority of the 2700+ hours on the engine over the last 4 years, hence my continually having to replace parts.
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Old 10-07-2012, 07:57 PM   #92
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boatgm: My TAMD41s are what I consider "new" even though they date from 1990 and have 3000 hrs on them. What makes yours "older"? I think from your sn starting with 89, that yours date from 1989? Is that correct?

That puts them 20 yrs ahead of the one Marin has gone so far out on a limb against.
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I guess the other thing to consider if a Volvo Penta part is really even a Volvo Penta part. I say that as know that my "Volvo" D2-75 is really a Perkins, which is really an ISM Shibaura. The exact same block is also rebranded as a (gasp) Caterpillar 2.2T. It can be found in New Holland skid steers, Manitou forklifts, and Northern Lights generators. I can literally buy parts on line from a tractor dealership. The same company makes diesels for Cummins and Yanmar, among others.

The engine I pulled out was a BMW. But it wasn't really a BMW, it was a Hatz. Parts were quite rare as neither Hatz or BMW supported it. I literally gave it to a guy who makes his living selling old BMW (but not Hatz) diesel parts.

I suppose I should be mad at BMW for not supporting their 30 year old product. Or maybe I should be mad at Yanmar, as they now use a diesel BMW block...
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Koliver : This engine came in from a hydraulic suppler with 12 hours on it about 10 years ago. I would have thought it new if it had been manufactured around that time. Glad to hear your TAMD41s are still new.
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I guess the other thing to consider if a Volvo Penta part is really even a Volvo Penta part. I say that as know that my "Volvo" D2-75 is really a Perkins, which is really an ISM Shibaura. The exact same block is also rebranded as a (gasp) Caterpillar 2.2T.
We should not be surprised Northern Spy is so well informed. I don`t have a model no. but a friend`s 4cyl Volvo, painted Volvo green,is marked elsewhere as a Perkins (from Peterborough). And are all those 3cyl Onan/Cummins gensets really Kubota engined?
I can`t think of a 6cyl engine resembling the top of the Volvo but perhaps the engine derives from a Volvo vehicle, maybe a truck, a possible parts source.
I`d be very interested to see the Forum with a part number and engine model to chase down; like a Jack Russell after a rabbit is my guess.That said,it`s unfortunate the owner has to go through this to find a part. BruceK
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We should not be surprised Northern Spy is so well informed. I don`t have a model no. but a friend`s 4cyl Volvo, painted Volvo green,is marked elsewhere as a Perkins (from Peterborough). And are all those 3cyl Onan/Cummins gensets really Kubota engined?
I can`t think of a 6cyl engine resembling the top of the Volvo but perhaps the engine derives from a Volvo vehicle, maybe a truck, a possible parts source.
I`d be very interested to see the Forum with a part number and engine model to chase down; like a Jack Russell after a rabbit is my guess.That said,it`s unfortunate the owner has to go through this to find a part. BruceK
Come on Marin... contact your Volvo owning buddy and get the engine year and model... as well as the all important part number. Seems to me this Forum going after that part is the best bet yout friend has to solve his Volvo part problem! - Art
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I suspect there is nothing this forum has to offer my acquaintance that he has not already thought of or tried. As I said he has a lifetime career in the marine industry with connections in most or all of the marine diesel manufacturers including Volvo. I do know from when he showed us around the boat after he bought it that they are standard issue Volvo marine diesels from that era, the 1970s I believe, but while he told us the model it was a few years ago and I don't remember. I don't even remember their power. The boat is about 40 feet long.

I don't see him very often and I'm scheduled to head out to direct a five-country shoot in a week or so and won't be back in the US until later in November. But if I see him before we leave I'll try to remember to ask him what the engines are.
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Marin, Many of the posts on this forum are not much more than personal insults and your post does not dissapoint in this respect.
The expression " the pot calling the kettle black" comes to mind here.....

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For all we know, he is the villiage idiot who couldn't find a six pack in a convenience store.
As you don't know him, you are in no position to judge him. I do know him, and I am.

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You are asking us to believe that nowhere in the world is this engine part available, new, used, or rebuilt and that this is the fault of the engine manufacturer.
Before jumping to the wrong conclusion (again) read what I actually wrote. I said so far he has not had any luck locating the parts he needs and Volvo has told him they no longer support that engine. He didn't say that he has given up nor did he tell me he believes the part doesn't exist anywhere. But finding it has so far proven to be unsuccessful and he is starting to think about alternatives to Volvo engines.

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...it's hardly the fault of the manufacturer. Every piece of machinery and every living thing has an end of life. There comes a time when it's done and cannot be revived.
Agreed. We no longer support the 707 with parts supplied by us although we do support the operators of 707s with operational, service, and repair information. But... I don't hear lots of tales of woe about parts availability and super high prices with Detroit 6-71s or 8V-71s or Lehmans or Cummins or Deeres or Cats or Yanmar or... Volvo seems to have cornered the market on disgruntled operators in this respect. Or are they all lying to get their 15 minutes of fame?

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We have, on this thread, several people who own and operate Volvo engined boats and they report a high level of satisfaction with them.
That's very nice for them but totally irrelevant to people who have had or are having the opposite experience.

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On the other hand, we have some people who don't own Volvos, but know about "some guy" who has trouble getting parts or is replacing perfectly good engines because of fears of difficulty finding parts.
Since the people reporting problems with Volvo parts availability and service and extremely high.prices are from all over the world, including "some guys" I know personally here and in Hawaii, and this is an issue that a hell of a lot of people seem to have, and it's not a new issue but one I have seen written about in a variety of places for a lot of years, I think I'm going to give these people credibility as opposed to deciding they're all wrong based on the opinion of one amateur boater on an amateur boating forum. Who I don't know and so far have no reason to give any credibility to on the subject outside of the fact that he has a Volvo (I believe Volvos are or were the standard engine in Camano Trolls) and has so far had good luck with it..

My only direct experience with Volvo engines has been fishing for several years on a boat that had one in Hawaii. I don't know the model but it was turbocharged and after cooled and it was an excellent power plant. Based on that experience I thought that a Volvo diesel would be a great engine to have in a boat.

Based on what I have learned by talking to acquaintences and reading over the years I no longer feel that way. When I hear a fellow club member say, as I did just a few weeks ago, that in preparation for extensive cruising for the next few years in the southwestern Pacific and beyond they are re-engining their sailboat from Volvo to Kubota based on their research which shows that Volvo parts, service, and support is poor to nonexistent in many of the places they are going, that tells me that there are smarter choices on the planet than Volvo, no matter how great their engines may be.

This is all strictly my opinion, which is based on what I have heard and read. Pretty much everything on this forum is based on opinion and I'm not going to change mine just because it's not in line with somebody else's. Forums like this can be helpful sources of information but using what's posted here in lieu of doing one's own research is really dumb in my opinion.
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....]t and think this post by Marin was not meant to be too invasive, just thought provoking. Right Marin??
I simply meant that this particular guy has professional contacts throughout the marine industry, here and abroad, that go far beyond what is available through an amateur boating forum. While it may sound arrogant to some, i suspect he feels that if he can pick up the phone and call the top folks at the engine manufactures and parts distributors and yards and so on here and overseas he sees little value in bothering with a bunch of recreational boaters.

I don't know this fellow that well. We bump into him now and again in the marina which is how we came to learn of his current predicament.

I perhaps should add that should this fellow decide to re-engine his boat it I don't think it will be any sort of financial burden for him. I brought him up originally simply as an illustration of the tough time the owners of boats with older Volvo diesels can have in finding parts. But he'll get his problem solved eventually one way or another.
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I don't know this fellow that well.
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