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Old 10-04-2012, 08:16 PM   #61
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Okay, I get the legal definition and have no quarrel with it. But that's not really the tone here. What's being implied is that unless you do or experience something yourself, any information one passes along is automatically suspect and should not be believed. In other words, never believe anyone about anything unless you see it yourself. If it's a sunny day and someone tells you the sky is blue look up because if you simply take their word for it, who knows what bias they might have for or against blue sky?

I can understand this positon when it comes to the judicial system. But when a guy says my engine broke in this manner and we've been trying to find the part for three months and the manufacturer is of no help whatsoever and the part so far has been unobtainable at any price and anyone who buys a boat with a Volvo engine is a dufuss because this is what they'll be dealing with, I'm not going to automaticallyi assume he's making it all up. Personally, I would rather learn from this guy's (and others') bad experience with Volvo engines and not repeat what they went through just because I had to find out for myself if they were right.

It's a judgement call. Some people's advice I woudn't act on if they paid me. But most people I've dealt with--- like the guy with the broken Volvo and my commercial fishing friend in Hawaii who's related his issues with the Volvos in his longline boats---- are providing first hand information that I believe is worth heeding.
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:11 PM   #62
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The camshaft is broken. It's a Volvo engine, it needs a Volvo camshaft.
What series or model Volvo engine?
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:37 PM   #63
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I don't know. It's an older boat, 1970s is what I seem to recall him telling us back when he bought it several years ago, and the engines are the originals.

He showed us around the boat not long after buying it and the previous (I think original) owner was absolutely anal about keeping it up. For example it has the same model Onan generator that we have (MDJE) but where ours looks like its age, the one in his boat looks like it just came off the showroom floor. So the engines in the boat did not suffer from lack of attention although exterior appearance doesn't say anything about how they were operated.
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Old 10-05-2012, 01:45 AM   #64
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Well, what he told you are the facts is the textbook legal definition of "hearsay". Your testimony of what he said would not be admissible in court. That guy would have to testify in person as to what happened to him. (Certain exceptions might apply , etc.).
True, but the short answer is, Trawler Forum is not a Court. Posts can`t be "admitted" or "rejected" on the basis of hearsay without a full time team of legally trained Moderators. Actually, I`d be more worried about defamation.
A lot of material posted relies on secondhand information, verbal or written. We all trust the good sense of Forum users to use common sense relying on a source and to say so if they have doubts.
I helped a friend reinstall a Volvo branded (Perkins made) 4cyl diesel. He needed a new gearbox damper which had to flown from Sweden,it arrived quickly but at considerable cost. I saw him leave,to go to Volvo,and return with it. (Some of this is hearsay,some not, but all true to the best of my knowledge).
Volvo turbo straight six engines are common here in boats. I`m not aware of a climate of complaint about back up etc. But I had to get a turbocharger cover made for a Perkins T6354 as I could not buy one. And I import Lehman parts from USA, from AD ,and another supplier who got me Seakamp heat exchangers.BruceK
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Old 10-05-2012, 04:40 AM   #65
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I have a 6 cylinder Volvo (tamd41 b896094) for a new project. Its an older engine with very few hours.
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Old 10-05-2012, 08:17 AM   #66
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I have a 6 cylinder Volvo (tamd41 b896094) for a new project. Its an older engine with very few hours.
I'm interested to learn results as you travel through this 6 cyl Volvo project. Please keep TF appraised. Thanks, Art
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Old 10-05-2012, 01:34 PM   #67
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Hearsay is probably mostly right but in the case of Volvo's parts problem the numbers of people saying parts are a problem over the many years that they've been say'in it suggest that the chances of that "hearsay" being correct is very high indeed. Very close to being judicially correct I'd say and judicial matters are frequently decided by the opinions of people that can go any direction they want based on hearsay, gut feelings or whatever.
Well stated Marin.
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Well here is a data point for you then. I overtightened and broke a clamp for the throttle cable of my Volvo Penta D2-75 when I was rerouting it. It was a glass reinforced piece of molded resin. It had a distinct Volvo part number molded on it. I ordered the piece from my friendly local Volvo shop and he had it in my hands by noon the next day for $1.86. Not a bad feat considering where I live; a 5 hour drive and two ferries away from Vancouver.

I'd still like to know the model number of the diesel requiring a camshaft. I wonder if it is a poorly supported low-run model or if the local Volvo Penta dealer isn't working hard to get the part.
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Old 10-05-2012, 09:49 PM   #69
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Old 10-05-2012, 10:15 PM   #70
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I'd still like to know the model number of the diesel requiring a camshaft. I wonder if it is a poorly supported low-run model or if the local Volvo Penta dealer isn't working hard to get the part.
According to my acquaintance, this long ago moved far beyond any local Volvo dealer. Volvo has been contacted directly.. Parts distributors in the US and even overseas have been contacted. Nobody has one, factory is not interested (he said) in helping out. "We don't support that engine anymore."

So far as I know it's a standard Volvo marine diesel from that era.
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Three thoughts regarding this thread:
  1. North Habor diesel in Anacortes is a very good source for older Volvo parts and service
  2. A peruse of boatdiesel's massive Volvo archives should provide good information for a puzzled Volvo diesel owner
  3. Once a diesel needs a new camshaft it is likely suffering from other ills (owner abuse?) placing the engine in the "consider replacement" category
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I got the same response. "Volvo no longer supports that product" which in my case was a 1986 TMD40 engine and Volvo MS3 transmission. All of this palaver does not alter the fact that Volvo does not support their older products.
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Old 10-06-2012, 02:26 PM   #73
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Three thoughts regarding this thread:
  1. North Habor diesel in Anacortes is a very good source for older Volvo parts and service
  2. A peruse of boatdiesel's massive Volvo archives should provide good information for a puzzled Volvo diesel owner
  3. Once a diesel needs a new camshaft it is likely suffering from other ills (owner abuse?) placing the engine in the "consider replacement" category
Tom--- My acquaintance says he has exhausted every resource in the US and several overseas. He is a professional in the boating industry so is very much aware of the resources available and has numerous contacts throughout the marine engine industry.

I don't know the circumstances surrounding the camshaft failure. Apparently it was "just one of those flukey things." According to him the boat has led a pampered life---- it certainly looks it---- and he himself is a conservative operator. The boat is a twin so it would seem that repairing the engine would be a less expensive option than re-engining the boat.

The repair is not the issue. He is skilled at this and has plenty of friends in the local diesel service industry to help if necessary. It's the non-availability of the part that's the problem.
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may be he should look around for a used one??????????????
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He didn't say if that's an option he's considered. It certainly could be, although one could take the position that why buy another of something you don't like. I guess in the end it boils down to how much one is willing to spend on one's boat.
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i meant maybe he could get a hold of a used camshaft off of a blown engine?
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I don't know if he's explored this avenue or not.
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Marin - If you can post the engine year, model and the part number your buddy needs, might be someone in TF that can locate his part. I've three avenues to explore here and would be pleased to make a few calls to marine mechanical experts I know... one is a volvo specialist. Boaters helping boaters is one thing we all can share! - Art
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i meant maybe he could get a hold of a used camshaft off of a blown engine?
Good lateral thought. I watch for any local advert for a discarded Lehman 120 to buy for parts, nothing so far, but here`s hoping. BruceK
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Marin - If you can post the engine year, model and the part number your buddy needs, might be someone in TF that can locate his part.
In this case it would be like a new private pilot offering to explain to Boeing's chief pilot how ailerons work.
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