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Old 02-18-2015, 03:14 PM   #21
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I would sooner carry a spare regular starter. At least that way once I change it I don't have to change it back. And with multiple battery banks the likelihood of not enough cranking power is fairly low as ps stated.
Then again I usually anchor on a hill just in case
That's old school you old far*.

heck back then when I lived on my 30 Cape Dory Ketch, with its gigundo 12 hp, one lung Yanmar with compression release...you could sail along with the compressor release activated...throw it and the freewheeling prop would start her right up.

now that I all growedup..my dingy is almost 12hp....
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Old 02-18-2015, 03:29 PM   #22
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Geez, single engine owners sure get desperate. However, a box of shotgun shells is cheaper than a spare starter.
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Old 02-18-2015, 04:17 PM   #23
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It seems to me that changing out a starter would not be a pleasant task.

If I need to start my engine and the started is inop. then I will replace the starter once not add a springy thing then need to replace it again.

I have several ways to get power to the starter if the starter battery's are down.
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Old 02-18-2015, 04:36 PM   #24
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What if the starter is dead.....slugs and other electricity sources will not help much then.
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Old 02-18-2015, 05:18 PM   #25
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What if the starter is dead.....slugs and other electricity sources will not help much then.

If you worry about that then carry a spare starter, simple.

I would rather the job once instead of installing the spring and then having to change it again to replace the started. I don't think I would leave the spring on ILO a real starter.
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Old 02-18-2015, 05:23 PM   #26
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I was thinking that I'd get one of these and just get rid of all the wiring hassles to the starter. Simplify - house power only.

But then I thought - what if I stall the engine while docking? So ... never mind.
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Old 02-18-2015, 05:26 PM   #27
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These things cost about the same or more then a regular starter so no thanks. Starting at 1500-5000 I don't get the benefit.

http://au.alibaba.com/products/sprin...er-diesel.html


The electric version really has me scratching my head.

Spring Starter Electric version, View Spring starter, Kineteco Product Details from Kineteco International Ltd on Alibaba.com

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Old 02-18-2015, 06:24 PM   #28
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Neat device. But it is only going to give maybe a turn or two of the crank, so that motor better be primed!!
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$125 to $175 gets me a new starter for my JD 4045. Seems pretty much a simple choice to carry the replacement part if your going to carry a spare. Will have a spare raw water pump. See no reason to try to adapt an electric pump for when the mechanical one eventually fails.

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Old 02-19-2015, 12:11 AM   #30
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"Then again I usually anchor on a hill just in case"

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Old 02-19-2015, 07:41 AM   #31
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"Then again I usually anchor on a hill just in case"

I am with Art!!!

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I was going to add that I only anchor at high tide for that reason.
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Old 02-19-2015, 08:00 AM   #32
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I was going to add that I only anchor at high tide for that reason.
Why bother to take chances with free wheeling unattached? What if engine does not start even after you've gone all the way down your hill of water?? Then what would be the alternative...

Seems due to repeat available tries via just anchoring in a good current and then using windless pull on rode to increase water flow over props while trany is engaged in gear should be able to turn-over engines for starting! If on first try engine balks... just play out more scope again and start over.

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Old 02-19-2015, 11:55 AM   #33
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HAHAHAHA
Anchor on a hill ...... at high tide.
That's a good one guys.

So it's obvious there's no simple solution to this problem. That is simpler than just carrying a spare starter. I thought something would turn up. But I haven't read every word of the thread.
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The electrical / mechanical version is perfect. no need for an spare starter at all.
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Old 02-20-2015, 10:02 AM   #35
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The electrical / mechanical version is perfect. no need for an spare starter at all.



Ummm it's over $3000, I can buy quite a few spare starters for that.
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Old 07-28-2015, 09:58 PM   #36
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Ummm it's over $3000, I can buy quite a few spare starters for that.
I've been considering relying solely on a spring starter for my new build. However, even taking into account the savings from not having to buy a couple of big 4-Ds plus disconnect switch, wiring, etc., the IDP Maxi starter which I was just quoted at $2600 plus shipping, is rather exhorbinant.

Like Scotte says, a spare rebuilt starter can be bought cheap or even just secured from a salvage yard for a couple hundred bucks.

My old Burger had cruised with various owners from the Great Lakes to Aussie and Hawaii a couple of times. Myself up and down the West Coast. No problems associated with the starter were ever logged.

I'd be curious to know how many forum members have had starter problems that could not be fixed by switching the starter out, solenoid if not internal, dead batteries, etc.

That being said, if I can secure a spring starter for about $1500 then absolutely will use that, but would carry an electric one for backup.
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Spring starter as your primary and an electric as backup.

Is the above correct?
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Old 07-29-2015, 02:57 AM   #38
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Spring starters were used before the days of starter packs, solar panels, wind generators etc for heavy plant lying for weeks between jobs in remote areas where batteries could be stolen or just plain go flat..
Their application for boats is for example, a sail boat mid ocean with flat batteries and needing to start the engine.
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Old 07-29-2015, 06:15 AM   #39
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With Hyd power to operate the windlass , auto pilot , bow thruster and 6KW electric generator, a hand pump to pressurize the starting accumulator would be easy.

No R&R and no white smoke from the variety of hyd motors.

A cruisers delight , but not cheap.
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Old 07-29-2015, 08:49 AM   #40
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In answer to post #36, in 50 years of boat ownership I only had one starter problem and that was fixed by a rebuild of the starter as I was dockside. A switch out would have worked as well.
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