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Old 08-31-2015, 04:47 PM   #61
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I'm not worried about Volvo going back on their commitment. They have been very up-front and honorable in trying to get to the bottom of this.

Thank you.
I think the reasoning of some people is that you cannot really make/prove that statement until the new engine is installed in the boat. But it is up to you to trust them and hopefully all goes as you hope it to go.
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Old 08-31-2015, 05:25 PM   #62
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If a Volvo rep came down and determined they need to replace the engines you should let them do it. Also I think there are some measurement issues involved here like you don't know how much oil between the max and min marks on the dipstick. From the spec you were quoted and your quoted fuel use that's around 11 ounces and pretty much impossible to measure on your dipstick. Let them install new full warranted engines. It will pay for itself down the road.


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Old 08-31-2015, 06:33 PM   #63
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While I agree with the engine replacement, I can understand the timeline the owner wishes to pursue. As long as Volvo put in writing they can live with that schedule..that would be my liveaboard route too.
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Volvo Replacing Engines

Well, after about 3 years of watching my new D4's burn inordinate amounts of oil Volvo has advised me that they will replace both of my long blocks under warranty.

The engines have nearly 400 hours on them and are burning oil at a rate of approximately .8% and .6%, port to starboard, respectively, and it seems to be getting worse. Volvo told me that .14%, oil burn to fuel, is normal so this consumption is way outside of that.

Yes, I've taken a lot of photos and intend on being there when the surgery takes place. Any further suggestions from you will be appreciated.
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Old 04-21-2016, 07:43 AM   #65
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Talk to your insurance company about your concerns regarding potential damages done during this tear out and install. A before situation may be required such as a surveyor looking over the boat and then an after look as well.

Four parties are now involved - you, your insurer, the yard doing the work and Volvo. A fifth, the builder, have they been in the loop? They should be.
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Is this a clue? Oil not returning where it should quickly enough being consumed around valve guides on top end or elsewhere?

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The Volvo service rep has visited the boat only one time, hooked up his computer while I ran the sea trial, and told me everything was to spec.

Afterwards, even he was fooled by the oil level, which was extremly slow to rise.

That has been the extent of their "hands-on" involvement.
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Old 04-21-2016, 08:09 AM   #67
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Vessel protection is important during the rebuild and is (should) be part for the cost and it's not a small one. Some mechanics are like a bull in a china store.
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Thanks for the update. It's great that Volvo is taking care of this. I know it's a nuisance, but once fixed you will have years of good service ahead of you.

The key thing you can do now is make sure the work gets done without cutting any corners, and without damaging anything. In addition to all the protection already described, especially plywood on the floors and perhaps even the most exposed walls, I'd take an extensive series of pictures of the ER and the full path out of the boat that the engines will follow. Especially get photos of the woodwork and finishes so if there is damage from the work, you can clearly document that it wasn't there before.
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What Mr. tt has suggested PLUS include the front page of a newspaper in the pic's to leave no doubt when they were taken.

Further...Mr. LM. Where did those pictures originate in post #67? That is certainly NOT a Volvo engine and they seem vaguely familiar somehow...
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Can you get them to replace the engines with Cummins or Yanmars????...
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...Further...Mr. LM. Where did those pictures originate in post #67? That is certainly NOT a Volvo engine and they seem vaguely familiar somehow...
The pictures originated from a post several years ago. Good memory.
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Can you get them to replace the engines with Cummins or Yanmars????...
Good suggestion!

However... as I read this: It is Volvo doing the replacement under warrantee/guarantee provisions; not the ins co footing the engine swap bill. Bet cha Volvo will not even begin to discuss engine type replacements you mentioned.
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Good suggestion!

However... as I read this: It is Volvo doing the replacement under warrantee/guarantee provisions; not the ins co footing the engine swap bill. Bet cha Volvo will not even begin to discuss engine type replacements you mentioned.
Oh I know....it was just a little humor...and fantasy! Hopefully the replacement engines will perform better!!!
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Since wild speculation is what we do best, does anyone want to venture a guess as to why both engines are consuming so much oil?

I'll go first. I'll bet the engines sat for an extended period of time in adverse conditions prior to installation and/ or after, but before the boat was sold and put in service. A little flash corrosion on the cylinder walls is probably all it would take.

Was the boat built during the great boating depression? When was the boat actually built relative to when it was put in service? What about the the build date on the engines?
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Interesting. The boat is a 2012 with the last part of the hull number "H112", if that specifies anything further. January 2012?

It was a stock boat with 30 hours on her when we bought in November of 2012.

I do have the serial number of the engines if that will help ID the time of manufacture.

I like the theory but have no clue as to the issue. Volvo told me that there will be no autopsy.

I'm told that this is unheard of for BOTH to have this happen.
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Interesting. The boat is a 2012 with the last part of the hull number "H112", if that specifies anything further. January 2012?
H112 - Hull laid August 2011 for the 2012 model year.
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I would suspect Volvo has an idea of the failure cause (high consumption), whether they will admit it or not is irrelevant to you as long as they replace and make good. I'm sure you are curious as we are. No post mortem means they know.
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Well done Volvo for grasping the nettle and embarking on a major engine replacement.
I think it most unlikely Volvo does not already know, or is not keen to discover, the precise reason for defects requiring block replacement. If they could attribute the problem to something other than to manufacturing or design defect, they surely would. There has to be an issue they recognize to undertake such major warranty work.
For other users of the same engine model, I hope it is a problem peculiar to these 2 engines. My commiserations to rclarke246 for putting up with the inconvenience and worry the issue raises.
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Volvo is known for discontinuing parts and support for older series engines. These are only 4 -5 years old, they should buck up and make it right.
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Terrible luck. One can only try one's best to monitor the swap and prevent any further issues. I tend to think Volvo has had other similar examples , at least enough to help motivate the Warranty support.
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