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Old 03-14-2014, 10:05 AM   #41
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I think realistically if an engine isn't out of the boat on a stand or bench...then the headroom is less of an issue if you can comfortably get into a sitting or prone position and work from there.

Even in engine rooms with 7 foot headroom...you have to sit, kneel or lie down to work on most engine parts. I'd rather have the crawl comfortably in and have lot's of elbow room to lie down and work in mine than be a contortionist in the standup but crazy crowded engine room of the Hatteras I was last on.

Spacious, clean, well lit, organized (well laid out) with equipment installed with maintenance in mind to me are all WAY more important than plain old how tall is an engine room. The 30 seconds to crawl in doesn't equal the hours of yoga exercises you wind up doing when working on any installed equipment.
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Old 03-14-2014, 10:58 AM   #42
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Pretty good stand or stoop a little ER's especially N-47, MT 50, a couple of others I can't. recall right now.
Plenty of Stand Up room for fat old man in a N-47. Also full access to the entire main engine from 360°. No stooping required for work on the top of the engine.



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Old 03-14-2014, 11:05 AM   #43
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Love those Tollys. Our first boat was an early 60's 32ft Flybridge Sedan. Had ER#3. The problem with 2 and 3 especially is that they are not very fun to open and use in a seaway. Just fine at the dock though. I'm about your size and age , by the way.

That's a beautiful Hatt you have... bet it's FUN!

We seldom sleep at dock; love being on the hook to swim, party, sun, and play around gunkholen in our FRP, bimini topped, full windshield, 50 hp Johnson o/b, 25 to 30 mph cruise, tow behind Crestliner-Stinger 14'8" runabout that gets 21 +/- mpg!

I'm kinda guy who wakes early (way before others). When at anchor (or dock) I love to "play" in (check out) our Tolly's ER "stuff", as well as write log entries and general reading, during early morn... that's a good way for me to be, as this little toy boat is an “easy-does-it” gasser. Don’t ever want the problems that could occur. Careful is as careful does!

Salon sole's wide hatches are set up with piano hinges and pressurized lift rods so opening em up and having em stay that way is a snap. Commercial bungees are set up if needed for sea conditions to make sure neither tumbles down on me little head! You are quite correct... it's a bitch to need to be in ER such as this while in rough seaway. Been there, done that! Via my early morn ER “play times” seaway ER entry is supposed to be a non issue.

Our Tolly Toy Boat is for family R&R when time permits. Maybe some year Linda and I will just up and get a bigger vessel for some real costal cruising from Alaska to Mexico with SF Bay home port... time will tell! Our kids and grand kids can visit us at ports!

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Old 03-14-2014, 11:20 AM   #44
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plenty of stand up room for fat old man in a n-47. Also full access to the entire main engine from 360°. No stooping required for work on the top of the engine. :d
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Old 03-14-2014, 11:46 AM   #45
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Many of the long range fuel efficient boats have in line straight single engine so there is room around the engine. DD and Cats use to be the most popular, but neither make a small in line straight engine. The Eagle has a DD 671 straight line engine that I can stand up walk around and access to all parts of the engine.

I have had some big people working in the engine room and they have said the Eagle engine room is one of the cleanest and nicest to work in. It sounds like most of you need a bigger boat!
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Old 03-14-2014, 12:22 PM   #46
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Wifey B: Not that I intend to really do much in the engine room other than occasional checks of it, of fluids, of filters, of bilges.....but.....

While I am definitely not fat, I see no women have spoken on this subject and, yet, some of us have a different issue sliding by equipment and through tight spaces. Ummmmm......Think about why females can get through smaller areas if it's just up to their legs but males can get through smaller areas when the upper part of their body is involved. And I sure don't want to get burned there.......Just saying. Surely I'm not the only woman to ever face the problem.
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Old 03-14-2014, 12:28 PM   #47
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Many of the long range fuel efficient boats have in line straight single engine so there is room around the engine. DD and Cats use to be the most popular, but neither make a small in line straight engine. The Eagle has a DD 671 straight line engine that I can stand up walk around and access to all parts of the engine.

I have had some big people working in the engine room and they have said the Eagle engine room is one of the cleanest and nicest to work in. It sounds like most of you need a bigger boat!
Treat the size and convenience of the engine room just as you do other areas in purchasing a boat. Then if it's tight, remember what you picked up elsewhere for the sacrifice there and remind yourself of why you chose the way you did each time you start to get frustrated.

I keep anticipating more progress by engine manufacturers in reducing the size of engines for the same performance. The biggest advancement I've seen is the use of Common Rail. That reduced the average weight of MTU's engines by 20% and the size significantly. I had the opportunity to look at identical boats, one with conventional, one with the newer and it's amazing how the tight spaces disappeared.
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Old 03-14-2014, 12:29 PM   #48
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Boydski, you have better art hanging on the walls of your engine room than we have.

(In our case, it's a parts supply company calendar from 1997 .)
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Boydski, you have better art hanging on the walls of your engine room than we have.
Thanks QB!

When we have gatherings on the boat, the men tend to congregate in the engine room for some "unknown" reason....
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Old 03-14-2014, 12:45 PM   #50
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Guess we are out of touch as we never actually thought of artwork for the engine room.
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Well kept ER's are an art in and of themselves! Nice art work, though... Boydski
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For an engine room - the Great Harbour N37 and N47 have walk-in engine rooms. You can walk around the engines and stand-up while working on most items.

The Nova Scotia 47 had a great engine room but the draft on that boat moved it off my list.
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Boydski, you have better art hanging on the walls of your engine room than we have.

(In our case, it's a parts supply company calendar from 1997 .)

Wow! I am impressed!

I get comments on the Eagle carpeted engine rooms. Hanging picture, now there is a thought!
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Good point about headroom being not the end-all, be-all. To do work, you are going to have to crawl around anyway.

I set up my ER for 2feet of access around three sides of the main. Back is a little tight, but do-able. Genny and other aux stuff on shelves outboard of the 2foot slither spaces. It works. Can do almost anything without cursing. One of the few ER's set up by a mechanic!!

On a 38, you're not going to have standup ER unless the thing is built super tall. Just not a good use of valuable volume.

I often get hired to check out machinery when someone buys a boat. There have been several cases where access was so bad that I simply told the guy... Do not buy this boat.

I actually changed a starter on one boat without actually touching it. Designed and built remote tooling to reach between fuel tank and engine. Awesome white carpet and beautiful cabinetry over the engine. Well, I touched the starter once removed, but you get the idea.

That kind of crappy design is out there. Blows my mind.
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I hate bumping my head. Being able to stand up , and then bend over to work on the top, side front and rear is a bid deal for me. Being bent over the whole time is just a no-go for this fat fella. The Hatt's generator is in a utility room beneath the galley w/ AC compressors, inverter and its batteries, thruster batteries, misc other stuff and spare part storage. It's a real nice and big full width room, but maybe 4 1/2 feet headroom. Working in the mains ERs is SO much nicer.

Love the art work in the N47; never thought of that and the wall space is available. How tall is that ER anyway? The only Nordhavn ERs s I recall being in, a 46, a 57, a 58 and a 62, I couldn't walk in, had to stoop some.
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Love the art work in the N47; never thought of that and the wall space is available. How tall is that ER anyway?
The head room right next to the engines on the N47/N52's is more than 6' and there is nothing overhead to hit your head on, so no stooping. You do have to watch your head when going from Starboard to the Port side of the engine (lights fwd, dry exhaust aft).

The N46's and N50's do not have the maintenance strakes (slight bulges in the hull, photo below) that allow the engine to sit low enough to gain the 6+ feet of head room.

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My recollection of the N46 that I checked out several years back was that the engine room was very difficult to fit into and had access via the shower stall or the master cabin. Made it absolutely a no go for us, even though at the time, I considered myself neither fat nor old!! I do understand that the newer N47s are quite different.
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The head room right next to the engines on the N47/N52's is more than 6' and there is nothing overhead to hit your head on, so no stooping. You do have to watch your head when going from Starboard to the Port side of the engine (lights fwd, dry exhaust aft).

The N46's and N50's do not have the maintenance strakes (slight bulges in the hull, photo below) that allow the engine to sit low enough to gain the 6+ feet of head room.
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OK so I don't have art and it's not as pristine as it normally is, but heck, I'm in the middle of oil changes on the main and genset! Which, thanks to the Reverso pump ain't so bad! .

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Unfortunately, aging and gaining weight usually go hand-in-hand, unless one is VERY diligent about diet and exercise (which I haven't been...). The engine room on our American Tug 39 is the same size as on our previous American Tug 34 which we owned 10 years ago. Back then I marveled at how easy it was to get in and around the machinery spaces. Now, not as much..... the engine room size hasn't changed, but I have, and an extra 20 lbs makes a noticeable difference.

Nonetheless, I've always been very happy with the access and size of the engine room on American Tugs. It's not a stand-up space, but plenty of room to sit and get access to all sides of the engine and other associated machinery.
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