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Old 01-09-2018, 10:36 PM   #1
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Okay bought boat with port engine missing previous owner got Alzheimerís donít even remember he had a boat so needles to say donít know how it was removed bought used one and ready to replace but want to do it off my dock in my back yard has anyone ever replaced engine that can explain how to get it in tryingClick image for larger version

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Old 01-09-2018, 10:42 PM   #2
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Good luck in your refit, some work to be done but hope you will find your way!

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Old 01-09-2018, 10:49 PM   #3
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Thanks the actual question is whatís the best way to get engine onto boat through side doors windows companionway hatch anyone have a video or pictures or just an explanation on basics I have 15ft Ibeam my mechanic is very knowledgeable but it would help to hear from someone who has done it before or had it done
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There is no standard way to remove engines. Every boat has different designs and modifications. Maybe a big polystyrene block shaped like the engine may provide a gauge for the best route out.

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Thanks I am installing it was removed before I bought the boat it is a 40ft DeFever DownEast picture is above of boat and engine any and all help is appreciated thanks
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Not sure about the Down East, other DeFevers I have looked at had large hatches in the salon floor and decent size side doors. Easy enough to remove the engine in to the salon. Then decide which door it goes out. Remove all accessories from block before lifting to salon level to minimize the engine profile makes it easier. Use an engine hoist to lift the engine to above salon floor level, replace the hatch and roll it on a temp plywood floor and get it out the door onto the side deck. If you donít have an engine hoist, Harbor Freight has them pretty inexpensively. Getting it on to the dock might be a trick but looks like a block and tackle job, with a few hefty boys helping along.
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A 6 cyl perkins needs a very robust and stabile base to rig off. When you shift the weight to the side, will cause more leaning, unstable. I cant see putting a crane on that dock. That leaves changing locations, timber slides, or a cherry picker. If it were me, haul and block the boat on shore or find a real seawall.
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[QUOTE=McGillicuddy;625044]Not sure about the Down East, other DeFevers I have looked at had large hatches in the salon floor and decent size side doors. Easy enough to remove the engine in to the salon. Then decide which door it goes out. Remove all accessories from block before lifting to salon level to minimize the engine profile makes it easier. Use an engine hoist to lift the engine to above salon floor level, replace the hatch and roll it on a temp plywood floor and get it out the door onto the side deck. If you donít have an engine hoist, Harbor Freight has them pretty inexpensively. Getting it on to the dock might be a trick but looks like a block and tackle job, with a few hefty
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Not sure about the Down East, other DeFevers I have looked at had large hatches in the salon floor and decent size side doors. Easy enough to remove the engine in to the salon. Then decide which door it goes out. Remove all accessories from block before lifting to salon level to minimize the engine profile makes it easier. Use an engine hoist to lift the engine to above salon floor level, replace the hatch and roll it on a temp plywood floor and get it out the door onto the side deck. If you donít have an engine hoist, Harbor Freight has them pretty inexpensively. Getting it on to the dock might be a trick but looks like a block and tackle job, with a few hefty


Thanks thatís what I wanted to know if it would make it through the door donít have to take out I bought it with only 1 engine in all I need to do is get one in thanks I was looking on YouTube canít find video so maybe I will video this
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No pictures, sorry.
I used a truck mounted HIAB crane. My side door is 27" wide and lines up with the gate in the rail. My floors lift up to expose the engines, so a direct drop.
First you need to take off the removeables to make the engine less than 27" wide. Without Heat exchangers, aftercoolers, exhaust elbows, I got mine down to 26 3/4". I used cardboard to protect the varnish.

The Hiab did the whole lift from the skid on the pavement to the drop onto the stringers. Just need an operator who knows his equipment.
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New engine install

Good to know. If the main problem is to fit it through the door then it easy enough to measure. Critical dimension will be width only I would think.
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I slipped the boat and used a forklift and block & tackle to replace my engine. If you plan ahead well, it should only take an hour or so to drop the engine in place.

I built a replica model out of wood to give me the basic dimensions, so I knew how it would fit. Not so critical for you since you are replacing your engine with the same model, but it would still make things easier if you did a lightweight practice run.
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...The Hiab did the whole lift from the skid on the pavement to the drop onto the stringers. Just need an operator who knows his equipment.
Do you know what model HIAB? Did it have the CTC feature?
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On our 44, one side door is slightly wider to accommodate an engine block; either engine can be removed through it. Don’t know if your Defever was built at CTF (now POCTA), but Wilson Lin is very knowledgeable. Also, if you join Defever Cruisers you may find someone on the list who’s done this.
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I hired a boom truck. They physically put the engine into the cockpit. From there I built a double A-frame lifting dolly on casters and lifted the engine with a chain hoist. Then I rolled it into the salon over the engine hatch and lowered it onto the beds. I put temporary lips on the salon hatch edges to keep the dolly wheels from going over the edge. I built the dolly from lumber. It cost me about $50. I assembled it in place and disassembled it to get it off the boat.
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For tricky installs, best to take the boat to a yard and put it in travelift slings. Then get a boom truck or drystack forklift to stick the engine though a door. Boat can be lifted and tilted as needed by the travelift to improve geometry.

If a simple job, take boat to a drystack marina and they can fork the engine in while boat floats.

Takes careful measuring and planning to make the process smooth. No fun paying crane companies by the hour while you work through measurement mistakes.
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First pic is pulling the 450 HP C series Cummins with a telephone pole setting truck and the boat in the travel lift. Had to back the travel lift up to insert the boom far enough into the boat. Space between the engine and the doors (cabin and transom) was measured in coats of paint. If the boat had been in the water, it would have been almost impossible not to scratch the paint.

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I know I'm going to get some laughs and speculation that I may be a little rustic (or perhaps even goofy) in methods. But I installed a 327 V/8 in my 1949 48 Christ Craft Commander the ole fashion way. Myself and two strong men, slide the engine down the dock on a dolly, slide the engine, well covered, up and down a 12" (covered) plank through the side door, down onto a sheet of plywood in the cabin. (Very carefully and slowly I might add so as not to bang, dent or crush anything) From there, hoisted it up with the "portable cherry picker" and dropped it into place on the engine mounts. Naturally, mounts must be perfectly set so that the engine sits at a perfect angle fore and aft and port and star; as well as perfectly lined up with the propeller shaft. I'm guessing the perkins weighs less than the engine I installed. Now, I must add, I did this when I was thirty years old with two strong young bucks helping. I'm 71 now, and might look for another method now days. I suspect damaging things will be a concern, no matter how you set the engine in. I sure hope you ran up the engine already and checked it out. Like I said in the beginning, a crude method, but it does work where you don't have access or room to use more crafty methods.
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Let me add, I do like the method O C Diver has posted; but if your doing it at the dock, well, -
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Do you know what model HIAB? Did it have the CTC feature?
A forklift works well too. Check your engine mfg for the weight and use a F or Hiab with adequate capacity.
No, I never inquired what model. Got a guy who had done this before.
What is "CTC Feature?"
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