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Old 03-03-2012, 04:17 PM   #21
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RE: Micron rating for ordinary toilet paper

Don't know about the ratings of the TP - but I would personally never ever use TP, not even knowing that others have used it for years without problems. It just seems wrong.

I generally trust and select commercial type systems. I am sure that there are some small commercial operators that uses TP - but it must be very few.

I selected the Fleetguard filters since they are availble all over the world -in any harbour with fishing boats. My filterheads are the Double-Double system from*http://sbmar.com/Products/SM-FF_KITS.php - and I use the same filter system on the generator, to keep the spare down..
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Old 03-04-2012, 07:41 AM   #22
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I simply don't understand the obsession with filters and filtered fuel.* If you buy clean fuel and put it in a clean system and burn it there's no problem.* That rule applies for OTR trucks, farmers, the oilfield and marine use.* Trying to save a few pennies on fuel filters is silly because the cost of conventional filters is insignificant in the overall cost of boating.*
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Old 03-04-2012, 09:22 AM   #23
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Well. . . . They should at least buy perfumed TP. . . It might improve the smell of the diesel exhaust*

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RE: Micron rating for ordinary toilet paper

"If you buy clean fuel and put it in a clean system and burn it there's no problem. " That rule applies for OTR trucks, farmers, the oilfield and marine use.

Perhaps true If the fuel is burned rapidly.

Sadly many "trawlers" have large fuel tanks and owners keep the same fuel aboard , for years.

Condensation is a daily deal , asphalting is a time problem , and should the water entrained in even the BEST fuel collect and pool , Bugs will be eating the fuel. and depositing waste into the tank.

Big difference between a 100 to 150G truck fuel tank that is emptied daily and most yachtty fuel use.

Filtering is sensible and required , the question is HOW?

To my mind biting the bullet and copying what the better boats do is simple , a centrifugal unit.
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Perhaps true If the fuel is burned rapidly.

Sadly many "trawlers" have large fuel tanks and owners keep the same fuel aboard , for years.
I guess its easy to criticize but it seems to me if a boat has fuel onboard for more than a year then the owner needs to ask himself why he owns the boat.* A seaside condo or a floathome doesn't have a bunch of mechanicals that need maintenance if that's all the boat really is.

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*Good argument for not filling all tanks.
*It might alleviate fuel going stale,but tanks kept topped up are supposed to get less condensation water, less moist air to condense water. Though I`ve seen condensation on the inside of the cap, even with full tanks. BruceK
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Have had a Gulf Coast toilet paper running continuously on my boat for 8 years. Yep 24/4. From tank to filter to Walbro pump to duel Racors (with 2 micron) to engine filters and back to tank. Racors have not been changed for 3 yrs....only then because I felt guilty...not needed. Engine filters..NEVER... For those that think they break up and clog the system...well continue to pay for your Racors, biocides and getting your tanks cleaned. I for one have the cleanest fuel on any boat in the Caribbean.
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"I guess its easy to criticize but it seems to me if a boat has fuel onboard for more than a year then the owner needs to ask himself why he owns the boat.*"

A very few boats actually do have ocean ability, and these will have far larger tanks than most TT cruisers.

Best for them is multiple tanks with smallest held full (the rest empty) while not cruising.

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.. My question: what is the micron equivalent of a roll of toilet paper..
Go to the supermarket, dollar store or big box store. There are at least two dozen brands and types of toilet paper. Some are single ply (fine for marine sanitation systems), some are two ply. Some are quilted, some are perfumed. Some have more sheets than others or are wider or narrower than others.

My point is, there can be no "micron equivalent of a roll of toilet paper" unless you specify the brand and style of toilet paper. Even then, unless the manufacturer can provide that information or you can find a lab with the equipment and expertise to determine that information, you won't know the answer and neither will anyone else.

Now, considering that my engine is worth $25K (more or less), and a proper (Racor) fuel filter element costs approximately $30, I'm going with the fuel filter element. That's just me, but to me, it makes sense.
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I guess its easy to criticize but it seems to me if a boat has fuel onboard for more than a year then the owner needs to ask himself why he owns the boat.* A seaside condo or a floathome doesn't have a bunch of mechanicals that need maintenance if that's all the boat really is.*
We all use our boats differently. All of us should (and probably do) ask ourselves why we own a boat from time to time. If we have a good answer, we keep it, if not, we sell it.

Unless you drain your fuel tanks, you will always have some old fuel aboard. It gets diluted each time you add fresh fuel, but there's still some in there.
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Have had a Gulf Coast toilet paper running continuously on my boat for 8 years. Yep 24/4. From tank to filter to Walbro pump to duel Racors (with 2 micron) to engine filters and back to tank. Racors have not been changed for 3 yrs....only then because I felt guilty...not needed. Engine filters..NEVER... For those that think they break up and clog the system...well continue to pay for your Racors, biocides and getting your tanks cleaned. I for one have the cleanest fuel on any boat in the Caribbean.
Wow! Must be pretty easy to prove...

Not having toilet paper protect my engine must be a miserasble lack of judgement.......considering I've never had a fuel related failure from just normal, old run of the mill fuel filters in 50 years.

8 years continuous running??? Must never leave the boat for any length of time or have the most faith in a "no leak" system of anyone I ever met.
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I guess its easy to criticize but it seems to me if a boat has fuel onboard for more than a year then the owner needs to ask himself why he owns the boat.* A seaside condo or a floathome doesn't have a bunch of mechanicals that need maintenance if that's all the boat really is.

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Well I run my boat almost every weekend, but no way in Heck I could burn up 360 gallons of fuel in a year at 1.75 gal per hour.
That would be 205 engine hours in basically 16 weekends if they were all good weather weekends (which they are not).
I think your comment is way off base.
Right now it's a different story as I have retired and am cruising in Canada all summer, but as a weekender the fuel get "sour", unfortunate as that is, I just deal with that factor and move on.
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