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Old 09-21-2014, 07:09 PM   #21
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Last time I checked this is a trawler forum...unless the engine is running there is no reason to lift the anchor!

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Exactly!!

I pondered the same question as the OP years ago when I installed my windlass, recabled my boat and upgraded my electrical systems. I have a single 8D battery to start both Perkins 4.236 engines. That's all it did and it's overkill battery capacity for these engines. I will probably switch to a group 31 lead acid when this 8D finally dies.

I have my windlass connected to the start battery and have not had an issue with it in 4 1/2 years of extensive anchoring. Like others pointed out, unlike a sailboat, our engine(s) are running when setting and retrieving anchor. I like to preserve the house battery capacity for house loads only.

If I ever need to enlist the help of the house to aid the start battery or vice versa, I have switches that can tie the batteries together. I also have a small Honda generator. It's never been an issue for me though.
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Old 09-21-2014, 09:02 PM   #22
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I have my windlass connected to the start battery and have not had an issue with it in 4 1/2 years of extensive anchoring. Like others pointed out, unlike a sailboat, our engine(s) are running when setting and retrieving anchor. I like to preserve the house battery capacity for house loads only.

If I ever need to enlist the help of the house to aid the start battery or vice versa, I have switches that can tie the batteries together. I also have a small Honda generator. It's never been an issue for me though.
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Originally Posted by FlyWright

I have my windlass connected to the start battery and have not had an issue with it in 4 1/2 years of extensive anchoring. Like others pointed out, unlike a sailboat, our engine(s) are running when setting and retrieving anchor. I like to preserve the house battery capacity for house loads only. If I ever need to enlist the help of the house to aid the start battery or vice versa, I have switches that can tie the batteries together.

My set-up also, and without trouble in 12 yrs. More importantly, I use a maintenance free truck starting battery for the boat, because of huge cold cranking amp reserve, whereas my house batts are AGM, and this type of battery 'loves' the type of brief but heavy discharge that the anchor winch needs, as they are similar mechanically, anchor winches and starter motors. A solar panel keeps that one topped up nicely when not running the engine.
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Old 09-22-2014, 01:34 AM   #24
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Jerry -
Do you have a bow thruster or are you contemplating one? If so, I'd install one or more batteries up forward to power both the anchor winch and possible bow thruster. This would eliminate any voltage drop over a long, possibly undersized cable to the anchor winch.

If batteries up forward are not feasible, make sure the cable is sized adequately for the winch motor amperage and the length of cable. I agree completely with Peter's comments above regarding battery type.

btw - My anchor winch recently died, and I found evidence of the long battery cables overheating. This likely played a part in the death of the winch motor.
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Old 09-22-2014, 02:36 AM   #25
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Last time I checked this is a trawler forum...unless the engine is running there is no reason to lift the anchor!

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Twice in the last five years I have boarded boats at anchor that were dragging and used the windlass without being able to start the engine. While generally the owner will start the engine before using the windlass a third party trying to save the boat may not have a key to the inside.
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I have 2 dedicated batteries for the windlass and another 2 for the bow thruster. These are both wired for 24 volt and are located forward with their own chargers. The rest of the boat is 12 volt.
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Old 09-22-2014, 09:36 AM   #27
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I normally run my windlass long before starting the engine.
Usually while coffee is perking I pull up to let the anchor chain flush itself from the mud.
Then we have coffee and breakfast.
Makes much shorter work of cleaning the chain and anchor.
I start the engine only when I'm ready to depart.
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Old 09-22-2014, 09:55 AM   #28
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Last time I checked this is a trawler forum...unless the engine is running there is no reason to lift the anchor!

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Ur right, not the schooner forum, the Ark Forum....wonder if Noah even had an anchor.... So many ?s

The only reason would be to be towed due to trouble....
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AusCan...No, I do not have a bow thruster, but would love to have one and that may be a future project. So, thanks for your advise as I think I can find a place to install these batteries in the bow.

There are lots of good ideas here on the forum, and thanks to all of you for your suggestions. I believe I should be able to get another year out of my house batteries, so in the mean time will probably wire my windless into my one year old 8D start battery with the idea of when I replace the house batteries to do a overhaul of my DC system and install separate batteries in the bow for the windless and maybe even a bow thruster.

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We have two AGM 8D's in the bow that are tied into the house bank.
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Old 09-22-2014, 04:12 PM   #31
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Hydraulic. The only downside is the engine MUST be running.
Why is that a downside? I always start my engine before I pull the anchor up. What if it won't start and you've already pulled the anchor?

To answer the OP, my windlass is connected to the house battery.
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Old 09-22-2014, 05:12 PM   #32
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How do I power my windlass??? I AM the windlass. Muscle power.
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Brings up a side note. Unless you have a giganto boat (or have plenty of hale and hardy crew), when figuring out your ground tackle, ask yourself "what do I do if the windlass doesn't work?"
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Brings up a side note. Unless you have a giganto boat (or have plenty of hale and hardy crew), when figuring out your ground tackle, ask yourself "what do I do if the windlass doesn't work?"
My chain gypsy has spokes beside it so a pipe can be used to raise the anchor inches at a time.
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Old 09-22-2014, 07:07 PM   #36
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Hydraulic power.
There is a large crank handle in the engine room with a LARGE
gear cog on it that looks to be a match for the gears on the
winch.
I hope I never have to find out if I'm right!!!!!
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Brings up a side note. Unless you have a giganto boat (or have plenty of hale and hardy crew), when figuring out your ground tackle, ask yourself "what do I do if the windlass doesn't work?"
My windlass did fail a year go when I tried to anchor. There's a socket for a wrench and since it's 1/2" square I carry a ratchet to use as a manual backup. It didn't work.

The reason the windlass would not operate was that the motor had frozen (rusted) and would not turn. Because of the gearing, this meant that the windlass could not be operated manually either.

I went on to a marina and was able to free the motor up and use the windlass for the remainder of the trip but it failed on the next trip and I had to replace it.

I can pull my ground tackle up manually if I have to but I would rather not. It would not be safe in rough seas.
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My experience is limited but don't most electrical windlasses have a manual operation feature by which you can use a bar or a pipe to lift the anchor?
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If the windlass can only be operated when the motor is running is there some safety mechanism that allows the operator to drop the anchor when the motor quits in shallow water?
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