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Old 10-10-2017, 05:44 PM   #1
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Genny in the forepeak?

The boat we're looking at has an Onan generator installed in the forepeak under the v-birth. Strange since the ER is roomy (twin Lehmans and lots' of space aft).

I'm curious about this installation, pros and cons, etc. Off the top of my head I'd be concerned about CO first, noise at anchor second (for the poor souls sleeping up front).

On the other hand, guest won't stay too long

Is anyone else setup like this of have insight as to why the mfg or yard would do this?

Thanks in advance!
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Old 10-10-2017, 06:10 PM   #2
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What kind of boat?
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Old 10-10-2017, 06:14 PM   #3
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What kind of boat?
Sorry - Bluewater 40 Pilothouse.
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seems like a crazy place for a genset, Factory or PO install? if factory, I'd have a little more faith..
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Old 10-10-2017, 10:24 PM   #5
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Dunno yet. Survey net week, it's a top item to discuss.
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Sorry, but I'd run from that boat. All fumes and CO from the genset are going to drift or be blown back over and through the boat.
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Old 10-10-2017, 11:13 PM   #7
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Maybe the seller can tell you why. Unless he/she inherited it too.
I`m not sure I`d even go to survey on it. I bet it`s been hard to sell, it could be cheap.
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Old 10-11-2017, 12:43 AM   #8
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Could only think of one reason to place in the bow and thats space constraints!

There a lot of reasons how ever not to, such as

1) Noise and fumes and exhaust outlet (if in the bow) allowing fumes to run aft
2) Long runs of main trunk wiring and fuel lines etc
3) Possible weight issues where you dont want them and impact issues/mounts
4) Correct ventilation (heat issues)

Generally a bad idea all around
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Old 10-11-2017, 04:27 AM   #9
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It could be a plus - it makes the boat harder to sell and likely reduces the selling price. It wont be that big a deal to move it to the ER after purchase. But, whoever did it might have had some other 'good ideas' that will need to be assessed.
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Old 10-11-2017, 06:21 AM   #10
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Even on the hook , most boats ventilate from aft to fwd.

Having the noisemaker in the bow is a great use of unused space , and if the ride is rough the noisemaker can take it.

Unusual , but try it out before using the sledgehammer .

One of the best engineered MS cruisers (about 55-60ft) had the main engine forward (DD 6-71) as well as the noisemaker.The engine clutched to a mechanical windlass , and truck style drive shafts were used to power the prop.

The CPP setup had its own thrust bearing so there was almost zero extra expense for the build.

Room in the engine room was excellent , one could stand next to the engine for service. A forward hatch made venting a delight.

2 trips around , being sold to experienced folks for the 3rd go round.

The space below was beyond magnificent with no room taken from the hull for the Hell Hole.

This of course was a custom build , but the noisemaker up front might just work.
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On large boats with multiple generators, it's common to have one installed in a space away from the engineroom so when working there is no noise.
In most yachts, a bow location for the generator puts it far away from the owners cabin. A wet exhaust near the waterline isn't going to send fumes aboard in most cases. Lot of commercial fishing boats have their engines as far forward as possible to make more space available for a fish hold.
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Old 10-11-2017, 09:42 AM   #12
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I will third that on larger boats it is common...so some concerns are mild at best.

Then is it gas or diesel...the answer somewhat affects CO, smell and noise concerns, particularly on a smaaler boat, yet all 3 can be addressed to a point.

Without seeing the actual layout and in operation, I would be hard pressed to give it a thumbs up or down.
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My guess is, this is the boat.

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Even on the hook , most boats ventilate from aft to fwd.

Having the noisemaker in the bow is a great use of unused space , and if the ride is rough the noisemaker can take it.

Unusual , but try it out before using the sledgehammer .

One of the best engineered MS cruisers (about 55-60ft) had the main engine forward (DD 6-71) as well as the noisemaker.The engine clutched to a mechanical windlass , and truck style drive shafts were used to power the prop.

The CPP setup had its own thrust bearing so there was almost zero extra expense for the build.

Room in the engine room was excellent , one could stand next to the engine for service. A forward hatch made venting a delight.

2 trips around , being sold to experienced folks for the 3rd go round.

The space below was beyond magnificent with no room taken from the hull for the Hell Hole.

This of course was a custom build , but the noisemaker up front might just work.
Would love to hear further re your comment(Even on the hook , most boats ventilate from aft to fwd.)

Every boat i believe i have been on is designed to ventilate from forward to aft, hence hatch's mainly open forward, dorades open/face forward, mainly all vents are towards the rear of vessel or transom, namely most/all vessels lie into the wind from the bow (unless no wind and adverse current),
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On large boats with multiple generators, it's common to have one installed in a space away from the engineroom so when working there is no noise.
In most yachts, a bow location for the generator puts it far away from the owners cabin. A wet exhaust near the waterline isn't going to send fumes aboard in most cases. Lot of commercial fishing boats have their engines as far forward as possible to make more space available for a fish hold.
While i agree it's common in some larger vessels (and in fact law in some commercial applications) to have a third generator and panel(can be a battery bank set up) in a different location, we are i thought talking about specifically the bow! , there are numerous regulations regarding fitting that third generator in a bow position some of which are obvious such as,

1) Must be aft of the collision bulkhead
2) Above the uppermost continuous deck
3) Emergency sources must be installed in position such that they are unlikely to be damaged or affected by any incident

All of which usually mean it's not in the bow,Whilst some fishing vessels and more modern azimuth vessels do infact utilize forward of midships locations for Engine room and generator set up's it's hardly in the bow where thrusters/lockers and such like normally exist.
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The only other reason i can think of is weight balance fore-to-aft, if the twins are located fairly well aft to keep the bow from raising... but this is usually less of an issue with what appears to be a non-planing boat...
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This is the trawler forum. However; many cruising catamarans power and sail have engines beneath the aft berths and AC generators forward of the accommodations and inside forward berths. Space is where you find it. Extra staterooms get turned into closets or garages. No reason an AC generator has to be located in the engine room. Might actually be happier in a cool dry place. Like so many things on boats it all depends...
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I see nothing to gain by putting the generator in the foreward part of a 40í boat, unless it was the only available place.

Gotta be as reason itís there though. It would have been easier it seems to put it in the laszarette or engine space, so ease of installation was not the driving force
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Old 10-11-2017, 02:04 PM   #19
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My guess is, this is the boat.

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Larry, yes, that is the boat we're looking at.
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Old 10-11-2017, 02:13 PM   #20
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Man I love communities like this. I woke up this morning to find lot's of replies to my original question from last night. Thank you!

As an aside: already this site reminds me of the Airstream forum I used to belong to when we had our 1986 345. I could post a question and a pic and within hours had experienced answers from folks who've 'been there, done that and had the t-shirt'. It was like having a group of experts with you for every nut and bolt. Just awesome.

OK, so agreed that's unusual which is why I posted. In my opinion it doesn't DQ the boat but it has been a topic I've discussed at length with the surveyor and diesel mechanic to investigate. I've also been able to connect with a few other Bluewater 40 owners (again thanks to this amazing site) and learned that the forepeak was where the optional extra tankage would've been located (water and/or fuel) so perhaps this installation was a weight and balance decision. That said, no other owner I spoke with had their genny located outside of the ER.

In any case we're moving forward with the survey and will know more next week.
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