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Old 06-15-2012, 12:59 PM   #61
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My thoughts exactly. It's a learned behavior though. It's taking some effort on my part too (serious change in my paradigms). I have a trip planned for tomorrow as a matter of fact. I have no deadline to get there... I have no idea when I will single up lines or what direction I'm going.

I'll worry about that while the engines are warming up and AFTER the coffee is brewed. The wife should have the fresh hot danish rols done soon after we depart though. beyond that... it's a boat ride. I want it to last as long as possible.

I am a Program Manager by day. I live and die by schedules, deadlines and commitments. I choose earn my living doing that... I choose not to live like that.
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Old 06-15-2012, 02:08 PM   #62
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Playing the Devil's advocate

There are many ways to use a boat. "Destination boating" requires weather windows between destinations for comfortable passages. It also sometimes requires top end speed to shorten those weather windows depending upon the destinations.

Recession or not the manufacturers are selling new boats to folks with the disposable income to afford them. Those folks for the most part are demanding high horsepower engines capable of faster top end speeds. Even at $4+/gallon one can buy a lot of fuel for the price difference between a new Grand Banks and a new Nordhaven.

Apples and Oranges? Perhaps? But the buyers of new boats cast their vote with their check book. Many folks in the 1960's and 70's never thought Grand Banks would make 30+ knot boats.

Today's new boats are tomorrows used boats.
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Old 06-15-2012, 07:47 PM   #63
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Exactly!

The one thing in this world you can not get more of is time!
So why waste it plodding along at eight knots? There are too many things to see and do in life than spending it looking at the same patch of water for an hour as you creep along. Life's too short to go slow, that's my philosophy. We have a slow boat by budget, not by preference.

We just got back from doing a project in China. Next it's Australia. Then the Middle East. Then China again. That's my idea of a good use of time. Not watching the paint dry at eight knots.
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Old 06-15-2012, 07:59 PM   #64
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So why waste it plodding along at eight knots? There are too many things to see and do in life than spending it looking at the same patch of water for an hour as you creep along. Life's too short to go slow, that's my philosophy. We have a slow boat by budget, not by preference.

We just got back from doing a project in China. Next it's Australia. Then the Middle East. Then China again. That's my idea of a good use of time. Not watching the paint dry at eight knots.

OK, sell your boat. Buy a smaller one thast goes faster.
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Old 06-15-2012, 08:08 PM   #65
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We just got back from doing a project in China. Next it's Australia. Then the Middle East. Then China again. That's my idea of a good use of time. Not watching the paint dry at eight knots.
Been there... and there... and there MANY times and back there again...

I'd rather be plodding along at 8 knots. I'll be thinking of ya.
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Old 06-15-2012, 08:08 PM   #66
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55 mph on a 75 mph speed limit highway and probably in the left lane too. I somtimes wonder why people with no place to go don't just stay home.

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Old 06-15-2012, 08:09 PM   #67
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I sometimes wonder why people with no place to go don't just stay home.
We're going the same place you are... just enjoying the trip.

It's about the journey... not the destination.
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Old 06-15-2012, 08:51 PM   #68
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OK, sell your boat. Buy a smaller one thast goes faster.
Can't do what we want to do in a smaller boat. The solution is the same size boat that goes a LOT faster. But we have more interesting things to do wth the money that would take so for now we put up with oozing along in the GB, but just barely.
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55 mph on a 75 mph speed limit highway and probably in the left lane too. I somtimes wonder why people with no place to go don't just stay home.

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You guys are happy being in a hurry to get somewhere else. I'm happy where I am. And by the way, I'm always in the 'right' lane.
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It's about the journey... not the destination.
I agree with this part but the definition of " journey" does not include a speed limit. I dare say those of us who like to go fast enjoy the journey every bit as much as those who like their progress measured in inches per hour.
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Old 06-15-2012, 08:58 PM   #71
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You guys are happy being in a hurry to get somewhere else. I'm happy where I am. .
We need more people like this because there would then be less people cluttering up the places we like to go.
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Old 06-15-2012, 09:37 PM   #72
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But we have more interesting things to do wth the money that would take so for now we put up with oozing along in the GB, but just barely.
You sound absolutely miserable with your trawler.
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Old 06-15-2012, 09:49 PM   #73
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As everyone knows, boats are compromises. You give and you get. Now, if there was a fast Selene, that would be something.

You give up speed for economy and comfort. You give up some economy and comfort for speed. Just because your boat does not do it all (very few do), doesn't necessarily mean you are miserable with your boat. It just means at the time you valued somethings over others.

Have you noticed the speeds that Grand Banks models can attain today?
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Old 06-15-2012, 11:06 PM   #74
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Can't do what we want to do in a smaller boat. The solution is the same size boat that goes a LOT faster. But we have more interesting things to do wth the money that would take so for now we put up with oozing along in the GB, but just barely.
Marin - Although I recall your feelings about boat designs, and, that Tolly ain't one of your faves! Here’s An Affordable Compromise Suggestion:

1. Purchase a 34 to 45 foot planing hull, tri cabin (sun deck) Tollycraft that was well cared for yet requires repowering and equipment upgrading (should be quite affordable when located)

2. Put in two high class, high HP, high torque diesels

3. Sell your beloved (but slow moving) GB

4. Cruise at some 25 knots and top out at around 29 to 31 knots

5. Still be able to cruise affordably at hull speed if desired

If you like to... get there quickly, with safety, and enjoy the Tolly comfort as well as its minimal upkeep requirements.

See... I do contemplate thoughtful items about ya!
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Marin - Although I recall your feelings about boat designs, and, that Tolly ain't one of your faves! Hereís An Affordable Compromise Suggestion:

1. Purchase a 34 to 45 foot planing hull, tri cabin (sun deck) Tollycraft that was well cared for yet requires repowering and equipment upgrading (should be quite affordable when located)

2. Put in two high class, high HP, high torque diesels

3. Sell your beloved (but slow moving) GB

4. Cruise at some 25 knots and top out at around 29 to 31 knots

5. Still be able to cruise affordably at hull speed if desired

If desired you will get there quickly, with safety, and enjoy the Tolly comfort as well as its minimal upkeep requirements.

See... I do contemplate thoughtful items about ya!
Two reman 330 Cummins diesels will run around $50K installed.

That might affect the ole boat budget.
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Old 06-16-2012, 12:19 AM   #77
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Getting there is half the fun. Just enjoy it,at hull speed.
I see US oil prices in the $80-85 a barrel range,down on what it was,shouldn`t that bring down the diesel price?
Australia is geared to the Tapis (Singapore) price,always above the US one.
Problem is,falling commodity prices, like oil,don`t always say good things about the economy. BruceK
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Have you noticed the speeds that Grand Banks models can attain today?
Yes I have, even more startling is seeing how fast the new Nordhaven sister company boats are going to be. PAE is branching out and gaining speed much like Grand Banks did.

http://www.lanzaroteyachts.com/
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Marin - Although I recall your feelings about boat designs, and, that Tolly ain't one of your faves! Here’s An Affordable Compromise Suggestion:

1. Purchase a 34 to 45 foot planing hull, tri cabin (sun deck) Tollycraft

While Tollycrafts are very well made boats and are excellent values for the type of people who like that kind of design, they are pretty much right at the bottom of the list of boats we would ever consider were we to decide to replace our current boat. In addition to quality and configuration, aesthetics are a significant factor in determining what we like, and Tolly's don't have any in our opinions.

The GB is miserably slow but it's built like a tank, and the 73-74 hull quality is something you simply don't get anymore in a production boat (thanks to the guy who built them).
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You sound absolutely miserable with your trawler.
Only with the speed, which is pretty pathetic. An option we are toying with is an overhaul of our boat including replacing the engines and generator. Should we do this, we will go with somewhat more powerful, current-generation diesels which would give us a few more knots of speed. The hull is capable of it, our current engines are not.

If we decide against this option but still decide to upgrade our boat we would move to a newer and much faster pilothouse cruiser, preferably a Fleming or a newer, much-higher-powered GB model.

Actually, for a two-person boat Carey's custom lobsterboat is ideal in my view. Capable of cruising 15 knots or so, it has an outstanding hull design and wonderful aesthetics. But even though when we decided to get a diesel cruiser we didn't care if it had one or two engines, the past fourteen years have convinced us that that for us, twin engines is the only way we will go (unless I can get a boat with three of them). So that rules out the lobsterboat even though we love the design and its capabilities.
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