Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 06-14-2012, 12:55 PM   #41
Guru
 
SomeSailor's Avatar
 
City: Everett, WA
Vessel Name: Honey Badger
Vessel Model: 42' CHB Europa
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 784
It's the difference in wealth and riches to me.

I work hard. I've planned well and I enjoy what that provides me. One of the 'wealths' I feel I have is the freedom to own my time to an extent. My time is one of the many riches I realize the value of now.

The fact that I can 'Afford to go slow...' is something I'm training myself to appreciate. It's a paradigm we all need to evaluate at some point in our life.
__________________
Advertisement

SomeSailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2012, 01:13 PM   #42
Scraping Paint
 
City: -
Country: -
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,748
We would love to be able to get to our destination at 15 or 20 or even 30 knots. While my wife is more tolerant of it than I am, I very much dislike plodding along at 8 knots. But economics dictate that a faster boat will have to wait until some time in the future if it arrives at all.

We would love to go faster so as to arrive at our destinations earlier and thus have more time to spend fishing or crabbing or exploring or whatever. A faster boat would give us a much greater variety of destinations for our short weekend trips. I also much prefer operating a fast boat to a slow one. Our Arima does 30mph in the right water conditions and this is an ideal speed as far as I'm concerned. Fast enough to get somewhere but slow enough to observe and enjoy everything around us.

While retirement is still aways off I don't prefer speed because I'm busy, busy, busy. I just don't like going slow, and I have better things to do with my time than plod along at a Jurassic 8 knots.
__________________

Marin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2012, 01:24 PM   #43
TF Site Team
 
Baker's Avatar
 
City: League City, Tx
Country: Texas
Vessel Model: Carver 356
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 5,630
I have to say that my current boat cruises at 15kts(at 6gph thank you) and I have got used to it. Like Marin said, it is nice to be able to expand your cruising area...even if it is only for a day. My next boat will have the same capability....just a bit bigger.
Baker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2012, 01:32 PM   #44
TF Site Team
 
ksanders's Avatar
 
City: SEWARD ALASKA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: LISAS WAY
Vessel Model: BAYLINER 4788
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 3,955
Quote:
Originally Posted by SomeSailor View Post
With the emphasis on "think" above Kevin... I believe most people perceive that they do not have the time to slow down.

I have recently felt more compelled to believe that true wealth is being able to afford the extra time. An extra day or more away from work? Not a problem... I can afford it.

That logic allows me to 'afford' to run at trawler speeds. I still get there the same day a planing boat does, but I arrive with more money in my pocket.
I completely agree.

Accross the lake from us, someone built a very nice new home a few years ago. Very nice, very expensive. Probably $500K+ invested.

The problem is the guy is never there. He'll show up once or twice for a summer, play with his kids then be gone again.

Clearly he works so much he does not have time for "life"

I'm taking most of the summer off unpaid. I do it every year. After buying the new boat and the refit I should probably stay and work. But I'm taking off anyway because how much time do you get? How many summers do you get? If for some reason this is my last summer, it will have been a blast.
ksanders is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2012, 01:44 PM   #45
Guru
 
SomeSailor's Avatar
 
City: Everett, WA
Vessel Name: Honey Badger
Vessel Model: 42' CHB Europa
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 784
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marin View Post
We would love to go faster so as to arrive at our destinations earlier and thus have more time to spend fishing or crabbing or exploring or whatever.
See... we differ there. I believe that forcing myself to afford the time on the boat gives me that time.

Why rush? Take another day of vacation and crab on the Sunday evening while everyone else is rushing to get home so they can sit in traffic bright and early Monday morning.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marin View Post
... and I have better things to do with my time than plod along at a Jurassic 8 knots.
Too funny coming from the guy with the '78 Grand Banks in their profile picture. My last boat burned more fuel on plane on trip to the Islands than I make in salary for the day. By slowing down... I can afford to take the extra time.

It's a all trade... we get the same quantity of life in average... we just trade our time for different things.

Our life's energy is our allotment of time here on earth, the hours of precious life available to each of us. When we go to our jobs and complain about not having enough time we are trading our life energy for money. This truth, while simple, is very profound.
SomeSailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2012, 01:46 PM   #46
Guru
 
SomeSailor's Avatar
 
City: Everett, WA
Vessel Name: Honey Badger
Vessel Model: 42' CHB Europa
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 784
Quote:
Originally Posted by ksanders View Post
If for some reason this is my last summer, it will have been a blast.
And if it's not... there's always next summer to plan for.

You're on the right track Kevin. Life is indeed very short.
SomeSailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2012, 08:03 PM   #47
Guru
 
refugio's Avatar
 
City: Meydenbauer Bay Yacht Club
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Refugio
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 1,141
Anyone else notice that this resurected thread is more than 4 years old?

Interesting to see how the 2008 predictions worked out...I think it's safe to say that the "high end" has endured a contraction as well!
refugio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2012, 08:10 PM   #48
Guru
 
Moonstruck's Avatar
 
City: Hailing Port: Charleston, SC
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Moonstruck
Vessel Model: Sabre 42 Hardtop Express
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 7,849
SomeSailor, you have started a good and thought provoking thread. As I sit here on a mooring ball in Hope Town Harbor, Abaco I see all kinds of boats. There is a Nordhvn, a couple of Krogens, a couple of 390 Mainships, other trawlers, and sail boats galore.

Moonstruck is the only downeast style express boat in the harbor. We started to anchor behind Matt Lowes Cay, but the wind shifted. It is supposed to shift again. I thought that I may not awaken to check the anchor set on the wind shift, so headed to a mooring ball.

We started this cruise on May 28th. When it will end, I'm not certain. However, we go where everyone else down here goes. We anchor, and hang out just like they do. We have a little soft music of some of my favorite mix going now. No generator running. We are running off the inverter.

Sometimes, I think about a Krogen or Selene 48. I wouldn't really go anywhere Moonstruck can't take me. Maybe some more comfort, but a whole lot less speed. For right now, I am happy where I am. 1 mpg at 27 knots is not too shabby.. Slowing down to 7 1/2 to 8 knots gets more, and we do that on short hops between Cays. After the dinghy comes up, the speed will pick up----exponentially. Looks like Moonstruck is a keeper.

By the way, I just noticed that the avatar picture was made where we are.
__________________
Don on Moonstruck
Sabre 42 Hardtop Express & Blackfin 25 CC
When cruising life is simpler, but on a grander scale (author unknown)
http://moonstruckblog.wordpress.com/
Moonstruck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2012, 08:31 PM   #49
Master and Commander
 
markpierce's Avatar
 
City: Vallejo CA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: 2011 Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 10,265
I'm happy moving at seven knots: don't go boating to get anywhere fast. The journey is the adventure. The destination is an anticlimax. ... Hope everyone finds their current boat was a good choice.

__________________
Kar-KEEN-ez Koot
markpierce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2012, 08:34 PM   #50
Scraping Paint
 
City: -
Country: -
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,748
Quote:
Originally Posted by SomeSailor View Post


Too funny coming from the guy with the '78 Grand Banks in their profile picture.
1973, thank you very much. Major big difference between a GB 73-74 hull and all the hulls that came after.

We have a slow, plodding boat for economic reasons, not because we like going slow. While we have better things to do with our time that creeping along at eight knots, we have even better things to do with our money than blasting along at thirty.
Marin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2012, 09:42 PM   #51
Guru
 
SomeSailor's Avatar
 
City: Everett, WA
Vessel Name: Honey Badger
Vessel Model: 42' CHB Europa
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 784
It's only money... I can get more of that.
SomeSailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2012, 09:58 PM   #52
Scraping Paint
 
City: -
Country: -
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,748
Quote:
Originally Posted by SomeSailor View Post
It's only money... I can get more of that.
Ever feed a deHavilland Beaver at the same time you're feeding your boat?
Marin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2012, 10:46 PM   #53
TF Site Team
 
ksanders's Avatar
 
City: SEWARD ALASKA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: LISAS WAY
Vessel Model: BAYLINER 4788
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 3,955
Quote:
Originally Posted by SomeSailor View Post
It's only money... I can get more of that.
Exactly!

The one thing in this world you can not get more of is time!
ksanders is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2012, 11:03 PM   #54
Guru
 
SomeSailor's Avatar
 
City: Everett, WA
Vessel Name: Honey Badger
Vessel Model: 42' CHB Europa
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 784
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marin View Post
Ever feed a deHavilland Beaver at the same time you're feeding your boat?
Worse. I fed a Bell 206 to get my turbine type rating on an E5 paycheck when on active duty.

Could never own one, but buying time was worth it at that age.
SomeSailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2012, 01:23 AM   #55
Art
Guru
 
Art's Avatar
 
City: SF Bay Area
Country: USA
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 7,981
At about 6 knots on single screw our 34' tri cabin Tolly gets near 3 nmpg. With twins running at 7.5 knots she gets about 2 nmpg. At 16 to 17 knots on full plane we're getting 1 nmpg. Fuel-usage affordability, comfort galore, good sea keeping capability, and sound construction... we really do appreciate our Tollycraft! Just what we want/need at this stage of life.
Art is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2012, 06:38 AM   #56
Guru
 
psneeld's Avatar
 
City: Avalon, NJ
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Freedom
Vessel Model: Albin 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 15,904
Quote:
Originally Posted by SomeSailor View Post
It's only money... I can get more of that.

For most people it's either one or the other....if they are making money they aren't cruising...and if they are cruising then they are burning up the money at an alarming rate if the boat isn't economical.
psneeld is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2012, 08:55 AM   #57
Guru
 
SomeSailor's Avatar
 
City: Everett, WA
Vessel Name: Honey Badger
Vessel Model: 42' CHB Europa
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 784
Quote:
Originally Posted by psneeld View Post
For most people it's either one or the other....if they are making money they aren't cruising...and if they are cruising then they are burning up the money at an alarming rate if the boat isn't economical.
Hence the trawler. I can't burn a day's income of fuel in a week. I can't eat a day's income in a month. Two days income pays a month of moorage. One more day pays for the other bills and off I go.

The boat's paid for... the house and vehicles paid for. Time to go prep the boat for the weekend.
SomeSailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2012, 10:33 AM   #58
Guru
 
timjet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,905
Has this post degenerated into the slow vs fast debate?

As a go fast owner my preference is to have the choice to go fast if desired but have the option to conserve fuel by slowing down. My planing hull boat only really operates at 3 speeds, fast at 18+ knots and 1 mpg, slow at 8-9 knots on two engines at 1.75 mpg, or single engine at 7 knots at almost 3 mpg. Obviously if we're going slow we're on one engine.

Having a choice is nice-very nice. We recently returned from 3 weeks in the Bahamas and being able to cross the Gulf stream and be at West End of Grand Bahama Island in 3 and half hours was worth ever penny vs taking 9 hours in a displacement hull boat. This gave us the option to continue on to the Abacos the same day or enjoy the marina at West End the rest of the day. Options not available in a displacement boat.

But in perhaps 90% of our cruising experience, going slow the entire way would still get us to our destination the same day versus going fast with considerable fuel savings. Going fast just lets us enjoy the destination a bit more, which probably for most of us is at least a part of why we're boating, or at least cruising.

In practice we do a combination of slow and fast averaging out to about 1.55 mpg. It is sometimes difficult to maintain the slow speed knowing that we could be there within the hour versus taking another 3 hours.
__________________
Tim
Tampa Bay
Carver 355 ACMY Twin Cummins Diesels Sold
timjet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2012, 12:18 PM   #59
Guru
 
SomeSailor's Avatar
 
City: Everett, WA
Vessel Name: Honey Badger
Vessel Model: 42' CHB Europa
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 784
Quote:
Originally Posted by timjet View Post
Has this post degenerated into the slow vs fast debate?
I don't like to think it's "Degenerated" into anything. We're all adults.

I was simply giving perspective on how I personally have chosen to change my thinking on time and money (and the way it applies to my boating).

I choose to own a trawler. That has certain virtues, it has certain detriments. If you want a slow comfortable, economical cruise... they excel. If you are in a hurry, your choices become more limited.

I feel my time is getting more valuable as each day goes by. If I were in a hurry to be somewhere else... I'd take a plane or drive.

I hurry to get ON the water... not to get OFF at the next destination.
SomeSailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2012, 12:46 PM   #60
Senior Member
 
jeffnick's Avatar
 
City: Spartanburg, SC
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Big Duck
Vessel Model: '72 Land-N-Sea
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 425
My goal for retirement was to slow life down, and I have. I never drive over 55mph, my boat will go 30 but never sees anything above 8 mph. Waiting for my turn is an opportunity to ponder. I refuse to be in a hurry...it's a choice. If you can learn to enjoy a slow pace, there won't be unwanted empty spaces in your life.
__________________

jeffnick is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
1978 34' - dip fuel tanks to measure fuel? meridian Marlow - Mainship 6 10-14-2011 11:52 AM
Fuel gauge for hard to get at fuel tanks on a 1980's Trader 39 Trawler Yacht Ian Streten Electrical and Electronics & Navigation 11 08-26-2011 04:20 AM
Cruising a twin screw Semi-displacement boat for minimum fuel consumption rostan Power Systems 69 08-25-2011 03:47 AM
Heating oil as for boat fuel? Robby and Bren Power Systems 8 05-24-2009 09:58 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:04 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012