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Old 07-26-2017, 07:11 PM   #1
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Caterpillar engine in Nordhavn 56MS

This is a wonderful web site. I've enjoyed reading many of the posts and this is very well managed.

My wife and I are new to the boating community. We are really impressed with the trawlers. They seemed to be well designed, rugged, nice appointments, and very well outfitted for the live-a-board lifestyle.

I was looking at the Nordhavn 56 mortorsailer and was really impressed. However I'm not familiar with the Lugger Marine engine.

I'm retired from driving over the road 18 wheelers and the Caterpillar diesel I know very well and prefer. The Cats would seem to be a good fit here.

I've contacted Nordhavn, multiple web sites providing information on this model, but so far all I get is a want for a sales call - but not answer to my question.

Does anyone have any experience with the Nordhavn 56 motorsailer with a Cat instead of the Lugger?
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:25 PM   #2
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Welcome to the forum! Did you have a specific Cat engine in mind? Most full displacement trawlers use very little HP compared to an over the road 18 wheeler. Doubt normal cruise exceeds 80 HP (4GPH +/-). While I haven't looked at Cat's line up in a while, thought there focus was 300+ HP.

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This is a wonderful web site. I've enjoyed reading many of the posts and this is very well managed.

My wife and I are new to the boating community. We are really impressed with the trawlers. They seemed to be well designed, rugged, nice appointments, and very well outfitted for the live-a-board lifestyle.

I was looking at the Nordhavn 56 mortorsailer and was really impressed. However I'm not familiar with the Lugger Marine engine.

I'm retired from driving over the road 18 wheelers and the Caterpillar diesel I know very well and prefer. The Cats would seem to be a good fit here.

I've contacted Nordhavn, multiple web sites providing information on this model, but so far all I get is a want for a sales call - but not answer to my question.

Does anyone have any experience with the Nordhavn 56 motorsailer with a Cat instead of the Lugger?
Think farm instead of trucks and then you have a very comparable engine as the Lugger is a marinized Deere so based off a very reliable engine. CAT just isn't in the business of engines that small for boats.
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Lugger is a marinized Deere so based off a very reliable engine. CAT just isn't in the business of engines that small for boats.
Believe this one is an Isuzu block and that might be used by John Deere. The Lugger marinizations are probably the best in the business.
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Believe this one is an Isuzu block and that might be used by John Deere. The Lugger marinizations are probably the best in the business.
Our luggers are all in the form of generators.
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Why not simply ask Nordy?

Says here they have whatever breed you want

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I don't know for certain, but would be surprised if any of the 56MS we built with anything other than Lugger or Deere. In that size, both are the same deere 6068 block, with different marinization. I think the lugger is about the best you can get for a continuous duty marine engine.
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You are seeing a problem where none exists.

The Luggers are first choice of many in that size boat.

Nordhaven claims quality , so must install a good engine.
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The Cat engines made famous in the old road tractors are not the ones you would get in their marine offerings now. The 3406 or C15 is no longer offered due to emission rules (grrrr). It evolved into the C18 which is a good engine, but marketed to the 1000hp go fast sporty crowd.

I don't think I would pine for any Cat engine in the sub 500hp class. Unless they have some offering I don't know about.

I'd go Deere, Lugger or Cummins. Cat is not interested in the lower hp market.
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Unless things have changed in the last two years I don't think you can get a new Lugger. When the latest round of emission standards came out Lugger decided that they could not meet them at an appropriate cost. So stopped making their marinized engines.

This all as per Lugger Bob. Again this was about two years ago so things may have changed.
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I have CAT 3208 TA in my 1989 42 ft Grand Banks and they do great, I can go slow (which I prefer) or go fast 21kts if I need to.
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I have CAT 3208 TA in my 1989 42 ft Grand Banks and they do great, I can go slow (which I prefer) or go fast 21kts if I need to.
The lugger is 165 hp. The smallest marine engine CAT offers is a 340 hp commercial engine. Not exactly a slide in replacement.
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I have CAT 3208 TA in my 1989 42 ft Grand Banks and they do great, I can go slow (which I prefer) or go fast 21kts if I need to.
The Nordhavn is a displacement hull boat. Doubling the HP will likely only add a knot to the top speed.

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Unless things have changed in the last two years I don't think you can get a new Lugger. When the latest round of emission standards came out Lugger decided that they could not meet them at an appropriate cost. So stopped making their marinized engines.

This all as per Lugger Bob. Again this was about two years ago so things may have changed.
This what I heard from two marine mechanics - one that lives by me and the other in Falmouth. I was attending a boat show in the Cape and brought this subject up while talking with someone else about the Cat's and this mechanic who runs a dock-n-repair shop, mentioned the same thing that menzies mentioned.

My main concern is service locations, parts availability, and so forth. My Mrs. loves to travel and plan to enjoy this 56MS for some serious coastal and blue water. I have no experience or knowledge of the Lugger or the Deer.

Now here's my feelings on this and other subjects - I'm an American Made, type, and I do my very best to support my neighbors. I didn't want to go the Nordhavn 56MS route, but my Mrs. feel in love with it. She's put up me being away from home for almost a month and half at a time, and took care of raising our son and keeping the home fires burning. OK - a Nordhavn it has to be. (I guess).

If I could find a similar motor sailer - American Made - I'd be all over it. However, the boat shows here in the Northeast have been rather sparse on that subject.

I want to apologize for being so patchwork on my subjects here, my Mrs. and I new at this, so my approach is kind of confusing to many.

I'll continue to read this web site over and over again, and I'm sure I'll find what I'm looking for. After all, now that I'm home, I'll hear.... make yourself useful.... from time to time, so useful it is. Funny thing about being retired from the lifestyle that we've both been use to for the last 30 years .... we're actually looking for something that'll have use both, no more that 40 feet apart for months at a time, in blue water and then some. This ought to interesting.
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If you do some research on displacement hull recreational trawlers, you will find John Deere 4045 and 6068 engines are widely used and respected. Kadey Krogan and Nordhavn have been using them for a number of years. I have the 4045 in my trawler. The basic engine has been aroud for a number of years, used extensively in farming and smaller earth moving equipment. Parts and service are widely available because of this.

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You do realize that Nordhavns are made in China, don't you?

An American built motor-sailer would be a Shannon.
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This is just a question since I really don't know the answer. Did Nordhavn build a 65 MS with a Cat 3208 non turbo? That's about 220hp if I recall and would last forever in that service. The footprint would be larger though.
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You do realize that Nordhavns are made in China, don't you?

An American built motor-sailer would be a Shannon.
He made it clear he knew that but didn't know of a comparable boat built in the US.

As to Deere and Lugger, you couldn't find a more reputable and dependable engine nor one more widely serviced or with greater parts availability.
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Interesting faq's relative to tier 3 and 4 as they apply to Northern Lights generators.

https://www.northern-lights.com/uncategorized/tier3/
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