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08-26-2013, 05:47 PM
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City: Whittier AK
Vessel Name: Apache II
Vessel Model: 1974 Donald Jones
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Thanks, I have a better pic on a different computer I will post that when I get a chance.
Sd
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08-26-2013, 06:46 PM
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City: Fort Lauderdale
Vessel Model: CHB 48 Zodiac YL 4.2
Join Date: Oct 2007
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Originally Posted by RickB
Bummer, sorry to hear that.
Drain all the oil you can. Refill with the cheapest oil you can buy. Replace oil filter(s). Run until warm, drain and refill with more cheap oil and filter
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Oops, left out a couple of steps:
Run engine again to get 2nd dose of cheap oil warm.
Drain cheap oil, dump cheap filter.
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Install good filter and fill with good oil.
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08-26-2013, 08:13 PM
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City: UMR MM283
Vessel Name: Northern Lights II
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RickB
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Oops, left out a couple of steps:
Run engine again to get 2nd dose of cheap oil warm.
Drain cheap oil, dump cheap filter.
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Trying some ATF with the cheap oil may help, I would pull the valve covers & clean them & the valve train, get it all out because it AF in the oil will wipe out the inserts. Good luck
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08-26-2013, 11:02 PM
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City: Whittier AK
Vessel Name: Apache II
Vessel Model: 1974 Donald Jones
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The emulsification was mostly on the the valve covers and little in the passages where the rods come through the head. the rocker arms and valve springs were just oil.
I really shouldn't have even started it but I wasn't sure how far I would get. I certainly wasn't thinking about my success. So I didn't bring any oil filters.
I did clean the valve covers and everything else I could get to.
I still need to adjust the valves. So I will clean them all again before the oil changes begin.
I am still concerned about the white smoke and the leaky exhaust manifold end cap.
I won't know until I get back down to the boat.
So where do I find the cheapest oil and filters
SD
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08-26-2013, 11:07 PM
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City: Hotel, CA
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Originally Posted by skipperdude
So where do I find the cheapest oil and filters
SD
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Venezuela. Pack your bags
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08-27-2013, 12:07 AM
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City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
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Originally Posted by skipperdude
Sure here you go
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Your hull form looks familiar but it is "missing" the upward sweep at the stern.
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08-27-2013, 08:48 AM
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Scraping Paint
City: Fort Lauderdale
Vessel Model: CHB 48 Zodiac YL 4.2
Join Date: Oct 2007
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Originally Posted by markpierce
Your hull form looks familiar ...
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Do you mean familiar because it's shaped like a boat?
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08-27-2013, 10:51 AM
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#168
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City: Whittier AK
Vessel Name: Apache II
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I did manage to make the job a little more easy. I installed a ball valve on the block to make draining the coolant a quick job.
Also a couple of shots of the block and head before installing the new head gasket.
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08-28-2013, 05:46 AM
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>I installed a ball valve on the block to make draining the coolant a quick job.<
I would drill a hole in the operating lever for a bit of safety wire ,.
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08-28-2013, 09:14 AM
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City: Great Lakes
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Hi SD, if you don't mind my asking, where are you getting all your parts and gaskets for your 3208's. I saw you bought a used exchanger but are the new items, gaskets, pressure senders and such coming from Cat? or aftermarket sources?
Incidentally, thanks for going to all the time and trouble to post your findings, methods and repair progress, as another 3208 owner it is valuable knowledge and deeply appreciated.
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08-28-2013, 10:27 AM
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City: Whittier AK
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It is kind of tucked back out of the way but a good idea none the less.
Thanks.
SD
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08-28-2013, 10:30 AM
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City: Whittier AK
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt Kangeroo
Hi SD, if you don't mind my asking, where are you getting all your parts and gaskets for your 3208's. I saw you bought a used exchanger but are the new items, gaskets, pressure senders and such coming from Cat? or aftermarket sources?
Incidentally, thanks for going to all the time and trouble to post your findings, methods and repair progress, as another 3208 owner it is valuable knowledge and deeply appreciated.
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It's all just nuts and bolts and a lot of grunting and groaning. The parts are real heavy. The heads are 120 pounds each and I don't think that includes the valve's and springs maybe it does but it sure feels heavier than 120 pounds.
Most parts are coming from Cat.
They have a service that you can join called the parts store. You can look up your own parts and there is also a assembly and disassembly portion of the program that will give you a step by step pictorial of how to do some of this stuff.
It is only for taking it apart and putting it back together and doesn't have everything in great detail. It wil say remove the injectors but not really how to remove the injectors. You can get most of what is needed.
What needs to be done after you get it apart is a different story.
SD
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08-28-2013, 11:29 AM
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt Kangeroo
Hi SD, if you don't mind my asking, where are you getting all your parts and gaskets for your 3208's. I saw you bought a used exchanger but are the new items, gaskets, pressure senders and such coming from Cat? or aftermarket sources?
Incidentally, thanks for going to all the time and trouble to post your findings, methods and repair progress, as another 3208 owner it is valuable knowledge and deeply appreciated.
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This is who I used in Annapolis, MD...good prices, easy to work with...
They also ship easy...when I moved to Jersey I still used them over the local Cat dealer as with shipping still got better prices and they sell aftermarket parts too so ask about them.
Caterpillar Equipment Dealer - Alban Cat
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08-28-2013, 02:31 PM
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#174
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Senior Member
City: Great Lakes
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Good luck SD, keep us posted. Will check out that Cat Parts Store thing, it sounds intriguing but I wish their parts were more reasonable. I recently paid $120.00 for two 6X8 pieces of foam for my air filters. Ouch!
PS: I don't need Cat to explain how to take it apart and put it back together, I have you for that : )
Psneeld, Thanks for the link, I nosed around their site a bit and will definitely give them a try. I see they also have sources for used/rebuilt parts.
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08-28-2013, 02:37 PM
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City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt Kangeroo
Good luck SD, keep us posted. Will check out that Cat Parts Store thing, it sounds intriguing but I wish their parts were more reasonable. I recently paid $120.00 for two 6X8 pieces of foam for my air filters. Ouch!
PS: I don't need Cat to explain how to take it apart and put it back together, I have you for that : )
Psneeld, Thanks for the link, I nosed around their site a bit and will definitely give them a try. I see they also have sources for used/rebuilt parts.
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Even though they probably have thousands of customers...the parts department must have geniuses working there because they recognized me or my voice, remembered that I had 3208s, always suggested a cheaper but suitable part (must have been the uniform showing I was a "poor" boater.. ) and were absolutely pleasant and helpful every time...
OK not in love with them...just thoroughly impressed. Actually the Cat dealer around here is somewhat the same as far as personality and service...maybe just not as cheap. When I had an engine rebuilt on a delivery boat at the dealership in Jax, Florida the same great service.
Maybe it's what Cat instills..maybe they just like working with someone who wasn't arrogant or demanding...who knows...but I will never bad mouth Cat parts departments...service and sales may be a different animal.
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08-28-2013, 04:44 PM
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#176
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Guru
City: Whittier AK
Vessel Name: Apache II
Vessel Model: 1974 Donald Jones
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[QUOTE=Capt Kangeroo;176011]Good luck SD, keep us posted. Will check out that Cat Parts Store thing, it sounds intriguing but I wish their parts were more reasonable. I recently paid $120.00 for two 6X8 pieces of foam for my air filters. Ouch!
I think I had to set up an account with my local Cat dealer to get into the parts store.
The guy's at the parts counter used one that was just about the same.
SD
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10-19-2015, 09:32 PM
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City: Mystic
Join Date: Oct 2015
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Cat 3208 transmission
I am looking to fine what transmission is normally on a 3208.
Is a ZF ,Capitol or what?
Thanks
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10-19-2015, 10:50 PM
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City: Alabama
Vessel Name: Waypoint
Vessel Model: Californian 48' CPMY
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Most 3208 CATs back in the day used Twin Disc labeled as a Caterpillar brand.
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10-20-2015, 05:59 AM
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#179
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He said it was a little of both. It would not take the silver solder.
Try a better smarter radiator shop, most use std solder , not silver solder and it usually lasts for decades.
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10-20-2015, 08:18 AM
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#180
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Guru
City: gulf coast
Join Date: Jun 2014
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skipper: Diesels are known to vibrate and extended fittings such as your valve may break off.
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