Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 10-19-2019, 04:55 PM   #1
Veteran Member
 
Cartouche's Avatar
 
City: Kingston Ontario
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Cartouche
Vessel Model: Mainship 390
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 76
Articulating Rudder

We have a Mainship 390, and are wanting to install an articulating rudder, we are in Ontario Canada, anyone have any leads as to who sells and or manufactures them. Many thanks
__________________
Advertisement

__________________
Joanne & Edward Billing
M/V Cartouche Mainship 390
Agent Kingston Yacht Sales
Cartouche is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2019, 05:21 PM   #2
Guru
 
Comodave's Avatar
 
City: Au Gres, MI
Country: US
Vessel Name: Never Say Never
Vessel Model: President 41 DC
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 5,776
There is a thread on a Mainship 34 articulating rudder from 8/27/17 in the Mainship group. It may help you, or not...
__________________

__________________
Boat Nut:
If you are one there is no explanation necessary.
If you arenít one, there is no explanation possible.
Comodave is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2019, 05:23 PM   #3
Veteran Member
 
Cartouche's Avatar
 
City: Kingston Ontario
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Cartouche
Vessel Model: Mainship 390
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 76
Many thanks saw the clip, but does not help with where to buy, many thanks
__________________
Joanne & Edward Billing
M/V Cartouche Mainship 390
Agent Kingston Yacht Sales
Cartouche is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2019, 05:26 PM   #4
Guru
 
Comodave's Avatar
 
City: Au Gres, MI
Country: US
Vessel Name: Never Say Never
Vessel Model: President 41 DC
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 5,776
The company in the video is BEI, but I tried googling it and didnít see a company. But several hits about people getting ARs from BEI.
__________________
Boat Nut:
If you are one there is no explanation necessary.
If you arenít one, there is no explanation possible.
Comodave is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2019, 05:32 PM   #5
Veteran Member
 
Cartouche's Avatar
 
City: Kingston Ontario
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Cartouche
Vessel Model: Mainship 390
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 76
Many thanks that is who I am trying to track down
__________________
Joanne & Edward Billing
M/V Cartouche Mainship 390
Agent Kingston Yacht Sales
Cartouche is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2019, 05:38 PM   #6
Guru
 
Comodave's Avatar
 
City: Au Gres, MI
Country: US
Vessel Name: Never Say Never
Vessel Model: President 41 DC
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 5,776
Found another thread titled torgue for articulated rudders. It is from 1/30/12 and is in the Maintenance and Systems - Electrical and Electronics and Navigation group.
__________________
Boat Nut:
If you are one there is no explanation necessary.
If you arenít one, there is no explanation possible.
Comodave is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2019, 05:41 PM   #7
Guru
 
Comodave's Avatar
 
City: Au Gres, MI
Country: US
Vessel Name: Never Say Never
Vessel Model: President 41 DC
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 5,776
I think that BEI is Bayview Engineering in Washington state. Jamie Wells is supposed to be the owner.
__________________
Boat Nut:
If you are one there is no explanation necessary.
If you arenít one, there is no explanation possible.
Comodave is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2019, 07:48 PM   #8
Guru
 
Nomad Willy's Avatar
 
City: Concrete Washington State
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 16,089
Cartouche,
Have you considered just adding onto the TE of the existing rudder? Or rigging your rudder shaft and post for a wider swing?


How fast is your boat?
__________________
Eric

North Western Washington State USA
Nomad Willy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2019, 10:31 PM   #9
Guru
 
City: Canaveral
Country: USA
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,354
Simplest solution might be just adding a fishtail wedge
makobuilders is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2019, 10:47 PM   #10
Guru
 
syjos's Avatar
 
City: Gig Harbor
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Sandpiper
Vessel Model: Bluewater 40 Pilothouse Trawler
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 814
Deflector Marine Rudde in Nacelle, WA and Bayview Engineering in Oak Harbor, WA both make the articulating rudders. Deflector has been manufacturing these for years and build out of metal and plastics. Bayview is relatively new in the rudder market - around 10 years

Lowell Stambaugh from Deflectors Marine is a regular exhibitor at the Pacific Marine Expo held in Seattle and will be an exhibitor November 21-23, 2019. Their web site is dmr.one. The owner, Lowell is very knowledgeable and is quite the character. He is, I believe, an engineer and will talk you ear off. Make sure you listen because he will tell you everything to know about articulating rudders.
syjos is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2019, 11:02 PM   #11
Guru
 
syjos's Avatar
 
City: Gig Harbor
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Sandpiper
Vessel Model: Bluewater 40 Pilothouse Trawler
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 814
I've driven several boats; 2 pleasure and 1 commercial with articulating rudders.

They are nice to have. Allows singles to back straight and turn to either side in reverse. It does 180's and 360's in a smaller circle.

However, the cost of around $8,000 and up plus installation is tough to justify. I priced one about 15 years ago and have not checked recent prices. The articulating rudder is definitely an improvement but I don't know if it's an $8,000 improvement.
syjos is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2019, 11:04 PM   #12
Guru
 
Comodave's Avatar
 
City: Au Gres, MI
Country: US
Vessel Name: Never Say Never
Vessel Model: President 41 DC
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 5,776
I put a stern thruster on my boat a couple of years ago, cost around $4000. But I did the install myself. That may be a better value.
__________________
Boat Nut:
If you are one there is no explanation necessary.
If you arenít one, there is no explanation possible.
Comodave is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2019, 11:14 PM   #13
Senior Member
 
mvweebles's Avatar
 
City: Saint Petersburg
Country: United States
Vessel Name: Weebles
Vessel Model: 1970 Willard 36 Trawler
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 163
I was looking at an articulating rudder earlier this year to add to my Willard 36 displacement trawler which I am refitting. After many messages, I have decided on a fishtail modification of my existing rudder. I talked to several people and belive it will get 80% of the benefit with 20% of the cosfe/effort. Plus, not having a moving part below waterline is a good thing.

That said, if your heart is set on an articulating rudder, well, I tried the same folks on BC you note and did not receive info back. I also tried reaching pit to Dave Gerr, NA and author of Propellor Handbook. He wanted a consulting fee of course which was reasonable, but I ultimately decided to go a DIY route
__________________
M/V Weebles
1970 Willard 36 Sedan Trawler
Current Location: Ensenada MX
mvweebles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2019, 01:03 AM   #14
Guru
 
syjos's Avatar
 
City: Gig Harbor
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Sandpiper
Vessel Model: Bluewater 40 Pilothouse Trawler
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 814
Quote:
Originally Posted by mvweebles View Post
I was looking at an articulating rudder earlier this year to add to my Willard 36 displacement trawler which I am refitting. After many messages, I have decided on a fishtail modification of my existing rudder. I talked to several people and belive it will get 80% of the benefit with 20% of the cosfe/effort. Plus, not having a moving part below waterline is a good thing.

That said, if your heart is set on an articulating rudder, well, I tried the same folks on BC you note and did not receive info back. I also tried reaching pit to Dave Gerr, NA and author of Propellor Handbook. He wanted a consulting fee of course which was reasonable, but I ultimately decided to go a DIY route
I'll be interested in the results when you complete the rudder modification.
syjos is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2019, 11:13 AM   #15
Veteran Member
 
Cartouche's Avatar
 
City: Kingston Ontario
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Cartouche
Vessel Model: Mainship 390
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 76
No I have not interesting thought but would need some engineering assistance
__________________
Joanne & Edward Billing
M/V Cartouche Mainship 390
Agent Kingston Yacht Sales
Cartouche is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2019, 11:14 AM   #16
Veteran Member
 
Cartouche's Avatar
 
City: Kingston Ontario
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Cartouche
Vessel Model: Mainship 390
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by makobuilders View Post
Simplest solution might be just adding a fishtail wedge
What's a fishtale wedge, appreciate all suggestions
__________________
Joanne & Edward Billing
M/V Cartouche Mainship 390
Agent Kingston Yacht Sales
Cartouche is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2019, 11:15 AM   #17
Veteran Member
 
Cartouche's Avatar
 
City: Kingston Ontario
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Cartouche
Vessel Model: Mainship 390
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by syjos View Post
Deflector Marine Rudde in Nacelle, WA and Bayview Engineering in Oak Harbor, WA both make the articulating rudders. Deflector has been manufacturing these for years and build out of metal and plastics. Bayview is relatively new in the rudder market - around 10 years

Lowell Stambaugh from Deflectors Marine is a regular exhibitor at the Pacific Marine Expo held in Seattle and will be an exhibitor November 21-23, 2019. Their web site is dmr.one. The owner, Lowell is very knowledgeable and is quite the character. He is, I believe, an engineer and will talk you ear off. Make sure you listen because he will tell you everything to know about articulating rudders.
Much appreciated I am in eastern Canada on the shores of the st Lawrence river, and Lake Ontario. will see if I can do anything via the web
__________________
Joanne & Edward Billing
M/V Cartouche Mainship 390
Agent Kingston Yacht Sales
Cartouche is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2019, 11:17 AM   #18
Veteran Member
 
Cartouche's Avatar
 
City: Kingston Ontario
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Cartouche
Vessel Model: Mainship 390
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by Comodave View Post
I put a stern thruster on my boat a couple of years ago, cost around $4000. But I did the install myself. That may be a better value.
Dave what stern thruster did you install, I am concerned about power requirements thus the reason for looking at an articulated rudder
__________________
Joanne & Edward Billing
M/V Cartouche Mainship 390
Agent Kingston Yacht Sales
Cartouche is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2019, 11:18 AM   #19
Veteran Member
 
Cartouche's Avatar
 
City: Kingston Ontario
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Cartouche
Vessel Model: Mainship 390
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by syjos View Post
I'll be interested in the results when you complete the rudder modification.
me to
__________________
Joanne & Edward Billing
M/V Cartouche Mainship 390
Agent Kingston Yacht Sales
Cartouche is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2019, 12:11 PM   #20
Guru
 
ben2go's Avatar
 
City: Upstate,SC
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Dutch Barge Caroliner
Vessel Model: Selway-Fisher 45' Teign Luxe Motor
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 2,566
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cartouche View Post
What's a fishtale wedge, appreciate all suggestions
It's a 90 degree angle mated to the rudder edge in a way to make it look like a fish tail when viewed from above.


__________________

__________________
What a pain in the transom.

ben2go is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:53 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012
×