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Old 05-07-2016, 01:07 AM   #1
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Today, heading in the middle of a mile-wide strait, a commercial tug about a mile and a half heading directly toward me, I turned 15 degrees to starboard. Shortly, it was apparent the tug had turned about 15 degrees to his port! And within a few minutes it was apparent we were headed for collision. About 200-yards distant, it was apparent the tug wouldn't give preference to my stand-on status, so I turned 30 degrees to port. ... There was no necessity for the tug to head for port side (to him) of the strait other than to shorten the distance to his destination. Here, small commercial vessels expect recreational vessels to get out of their way.



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Old 05-07-2016, 06:35 AM   #2
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I suppose they work on the assumption that you won't want a mark on your boat and they don't care....

A bit like old van drivers.....
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Old 05-07-2016, 08:49 AM   #3
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I suppose they work on the assumption that you won't want a mark on your boat and they don't care....

A bit like old van drivers.....
No different than truckers on the road. As you said Mark ..we're just recreation they are there working. Therefore much more important than us.
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Old 05-07-2016, 11:43 AM   #4
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Old 05-07-2016, 11:54 AM   #5
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Did you call them on the radio and question on why they made the move that they did?

May have been setting up for a needed course change due to channel course, depth, width etc.
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Old 05-07-2016, 12:20 PM   #6
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Did you call them on the radio and question on why they made the move that they did?

May have been setting up for a needed course change due to channel course, depth, width etc.
My question as well. Always establish communication when a passing situation is in question.
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Old 05-07-2016, 01:16 PM   #7
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Old 05-07-2016, 02:00 PM   #8
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When I see a runabout coming towards me, I too expect them to alter course if need be, why? because not withstanding rules, common sense says the more maneuverable boat should adjust course.

Maybe that's just me. But I would never expect a bigger vessel to change course for me.

That's certainly the rule in NY harbor, though I am not sure ferries change course for anyone.

or

riding down the street on my bicycle, I may have the right of way, but I would not pull out in front of a car unless they were dead stopped; otherwise I would be the person dead.
Right, but dead not the less.
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Old 05-07-2016, 02:18 PM   #9
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Did you call them on the radio and question on why they made the move that they did?

May have been setting up for a needed course change due to channel course, depth, width etc.
No didn't call. By the time I could read the name, it would be too late.

The strait there is wide and deep. No navigational need to change course at that point.
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Old 05-07-2016, 03:03 PM   #10
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Gotcha, just a thought.
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Good reason for AIS is to know the name of the vessels before getting close.
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Don't need the name of the boat, just the location and general direction he is going, and identifying yourself and where you are relative to him. This is the case in almost all closing situations other than from you coming astern. Basic seamanship, IMO.
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Old 05-07-2016, 08:50 PM   #14
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Had a tug pass on my port side about 20' away and pushing a helluva lot of water, he then mad a sharp turn across my bow missing me by about 15' ........

Securite, Securite, Securite - All mariners take heed. The tug Moran heading north bound into the East River in an erratic and dangerous manner.

Heard the CG call him, they never called me and I never heard their conversation.
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Had a tug pass on my port side about 20' away and pushing a helluva lot of water, he then mad a sharp turn across my bow missing me by about 15' ........

Securite, Securite, Securite - All mariners take heed. The tug Moran heading north bound into the East River in an erratic and dangerous manner.

Heard the CG call him, they never called me and I never heard their conversation.
Now to me, that's a lot different that Mark's situation. He did put you at risk and continued operating as he was could put others in harms way.
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Old 05-07-2016, 09:14 PM   #16
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Good reason for AIS is to know the name of the vessels before getting close.
I suppose. ... In hindsight, he'd demand a starboard-to-starboard meet which would be OK with me. My initial move was to starboard over a mile away, the standard response to a head-to-head meet. Unfortunately, his subsequent maneuver to port countered that. ... Regardless, the stand-on vessel (me as the tug subsequently put him to my portside) needed to make an avoidance maneuver as called for by the rules (and my survival.)
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Had a tug pass on my port side about 20' away and pushing a helluva lot of water, he then mad a sharp turn across my bow missing me by about 15' ........

Securite, Securite, Securite - All mariners take heed. The tug Moran heading north bound into the East River in an erratic and dangerous manner.

Heard the CG call him, they never called me and I never heard their conversation.
I would not go back that way.

Unless of course you camouflage the boat.
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And if you're shy, or not used to or familiar with using a VHF radio, five blasts on those nice air horns can work too.

See also Richard's excellent "Working boats" thread.
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Old 05-08-2016, 10:31 PM   #20
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Having worked on tugs here in the NW for some years, I am somewhat sympathetic to the tug driver. While of course P-P is preferred when easy to accomplish, its just as easy to maintain course and speed and go green to green. They get a lot of hammerhead yachts doing all manner of stupid things on the water putting themselves and others in danger, they are out there all the time trying to make a living, and having to deal with all the little boats sometimes gets a little tiresome. Not trying to excuse any real dangerous actions here, but it sounds like in this case, had I been on the tug, I would have done the same thing. I always try to stay out of the way of the big boys.
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