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Old 04-04-2019, 02:11 PM   #21
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It is the skippers responsibility period. It appears he was going too fast and did not have a proper lookout. Maybe alcohol was involved or maybe not but he was still responsible.
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Old 04-04-2019, 02:30 PM   #22
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Unless this is a case of misinformation....


From a thread not too long ago, this is one case where the captain/owner/operator should not have been and maybe a passenger should have stepped in....
Wifey B: Makes me think of the campaign "Friends don't let friends drive drunk." Well, yes they do. Every day. Toss into this one "Friends don't let friends go too fast at night on the water."

Not one person on the boat with an ounce of good sense and the guts to use it?

I remember when Jose Fernandez and his two friends went on the fatal night run. A couple of friends said no, because of fear for their own safety. Why didn't they stop him though? Didn't want to lose a friend? See how that worked out.

Is it meddling or inappropriate to try to protect ourselves and our friends?

I'd rather lose a friend by doing the right thing than by standing by and doing nothing.

I just felt psneeld highlighted something all the rest of us were missing, that while legally the responsibility falls to the operator (and/or owner), what about the passengers and what about the other boat full of friends following them. Don't they all share some moral responsibility?
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Old 04-04-2019, 02:37 PM   #23
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They also should have known better than to be running at speed, at night, while drinking. This wasn’t an “accident” it was a collision due to reckless negligence. What is the most frightening are the comments in the article where the “friends” say it wasn’t the boat’s operators fault. His criminally reckless actions cost him his life and serious injuries to his friends. This can’t be written off and simply an unfortunate and tragic accident.
Wifey B: Tragic event, yes. Unfortunate loss of life, yes. Reckless endangerment. I feel for his family and the other friends, but that doesn't change the responsibility of the operator or the moral culpability of his friends. And this could have been so much worse.
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Old 04-04-2019, 03:52 PM   #24
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Looking at the pictures of the boats, and the angle of impact, my guess is that powerboat must have been going pretty fast when it hit the moored sailboat:

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Old 04-04-2019, 04:22 PM   #25
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Trim on that sized boat can be a factor of many things....speed just one of them.


As to why no one intervened....again...many variables but I do know most people have a lousy self preservation instinct.
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Old 04-07-2019, 02:12 PM   #26
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The information is of course sketchy. One thing that isn’t really clear is where exactly the collision occurred. Dockton Park is managed by King County. It has concrete docks that are available for transients. There are also a number of mooring balls off the park, I believe they are all private. Lots of boats anchor there beyond the mooring balls. Unfortunately, there are likely a number of rarely used sailboats anchored in the area although the state and county have been trying to remove unauthorized mooring balls etc...

The point is that that whole area is full of boats either anchored or on private mooring balls. The further you go into Quartermaster Harbor the more boats there are. I’ve known Vashon Island kids all my life. Most had families with summer places on the Island and did, as the last article stated, grew up on the water and are very familiar with the area. They also should have known better than to be running at speed, at night, while drinking. This wasn’t an “accident” it was a collision due to reckless negligence. What is the most frightening are the comments in the article where the “friends” say it wasn’t the boat’s operators fault. His criminally reckless actions cost him his life and serious injuries to his friends. This can’t be written off and simply an unfortunate and tragic accident.
Totally agree. Drunk or not, he was obviously criminally negligent. If he were sober and took the trip, he would have ensured for the safety of his passengers and if they were too drunk to make it as a passenger he would have Ubered them home. And for certain, he would have contained his speed and had a sober lookout to boot.

If ya ain't positive of the outcome, ya don't do it.

No, it was not an unfortunate accident. It was a willful act of death.
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Old 04-22-2019, 01:40 PM   #27
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Dock Street Marina is within walking distance of the Tacoma Dome. Or an Uber or taxi ride.
Yes, we usually dock at Foss Harbor Marina for events at the Dome. Great marina and staff. We use reciprocal moorage with our YC.
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Old 05-03-2019, 06:06 PM   #28
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... If he were sober and took the trip, he would have ensured for the safety of his passengers and if they were too drunk to make it as a passenger he would have Ubered them home. And for certain, he would have contained his speed and had a sober lookout to boot.
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That is speculation on your part. Plenty of people crash boats and kill people without being impaired by alcohol or drugs. They just do stupid things.
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That is speculation on your part. Plenty of people crash boats and kill people without being impaired by alcohol or drugs. They just do stupid things.
Sobol,

True bit many more are drunk. And wouldn't you think this guy would have a much better chance if he were sober?
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We bought our boat on Lake Travis near Austin Texas. Huge covered marina with a Carlos and Charlies bar at one end. Floating breakwater about two feet high around the perimeter of the marina. Fairly wide gap between the parked boats in the marina and the breakwater...the ring road around the marina

One very dark night we're watching a movie on board and hear a tremendous bang. We scramble up to the deck and spot a 30ish Sea Ray moving in a tight circle off to the left in the "ring road". It had hit the floating break water at a fairly good clip, launched up and over, tore off one of the outdrives (big hole) and landed inside the breakwater. Two little kids were screaming "Help...Mommy's drowning". Our dink is attached to the davit and I figure it's faster to run to the unoccupied houseboat next door and shove their dink in the water. I slip on the duck shit on their back deck and break my ankle.

My quick thinking spouse is at the bow of our boat and alerts the crew of two boats who are coming around the blind corner on the ring road as to what's just happened. She's illuminating the circling boat with a spot light so they don't hit it. The father/driver of the Sea Ray is unconscious behind the wheel, as he bashed his drunken face into the instrument panel. His drunk buddy was ejected overboard. The second engine was still running and in gear...pushing the listing/sinking boat in ever tighter circles. The drunk in the water grabs a rail, which is nearly under water and holds on. A hero from one of the boats at the scene tosses the kids to his wife on their boat and shuts of the running engine. Then he dives into the forward living space that is almost filled with water and drags the stunned mother up to the deck. The occupants of a second boat fish the drunk out of the drink and one of them climbs onto the sinking boat. The two heros transfer the breathing but dazed mother to one of the boats and then drag the drunk from behind the wheel to the other. They probably saved has life as his wife would have killed him. The Sea Ray sinks in sixty feet of water. Roughly ten minutes have passed. A cop helicopter arrives and illuminates the scene with a Night Sun in time to watch it go down. The drunks are arrested. Everyone lives. Just a typical weekend at Emerald Point marina outside the Carlos and Charlies on Lake Travis. Party on...
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We bought our boat on Lake Travis near Austin Texas. Huge covered marina with a Carlos and Charlies bar at one end. Floating breakwater about two feet high around the perimeter of the marina. Fairly wide gap between the parked boats in the marina and the breakwater...the ring road around the marina

One very dark night we're watching a movie on board and hear a tremendous bang. We scramble up to the deck and spot a 30ish Sea Ray moving in a tight circle off to the left in the "ring road". It had hit the floating break water at a fairly good clip, launched up and over, tore off one of the outdrives (big hole) and landed inside the breakwater. Two little kids were screaming "Help...Mommy's drowning". Our dink is attached to the davit and I figure it's faster to run to the unoccupied houseboat next door and shove their dink in the water. I slip on the duck shit on their back deck and break my ankle.

My quick thinking spouse is at the bow of our boat and alerts the crew of two boats who are coming around the blind corner on the ring road as to what's just happened. She's illuminating the circling boat with a spot light so they don't hit it. The father/driver of the Sea Ray is unconscious behind the wheel, as he bashed his drunken face into the instrument panel. His drunk buddy was ejected overboard. The second engine was still running and in gear...pushing the listing/sinking boat in ever tighter circles. The drunk in the water grabs a rail, which is nearly under water and holds on. A hero from one of the boats at the scene tosses the kids to his wife on their boat and shuts of the running engine. Then he dives into the forward living space that is almost filled with water and drags the stunned mother up to the deck. The occupants of a second boat fish the drunk out of the drink and one of them climbs onto the sinking boat. The two heros transfer the breathing but dazed mother to one of the boats and then drag the drunk from behind the wheel to the other. They probably saved has life as his wife would have killed him. The Sea Ray sinks in sixty feet of water. Roughly ten minutes have passed. A cop helicopter arrives and illuminates the scene with a Night Sun in time to watch it go down. The drunks are arrested. Everyone lives. Just a typical weekend at Emerald Point marina outside the Carlos and Charlies on Lake Travis. Party on...
Wow, Rufus! We have a very dull marina by comparison. Great well written account.
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Old 07-04-2019, 09:45 PM   #32
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And, has been said many times.... avoid the weekends!
Amen, brother! The weekends are when all the novices cruise....I've avoided running my boat on Saturday & Sunday for years!
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Old 07-05-2019, 02:54 AM   #33
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Recreational boating is modest in my immediate local waters except for a couple of sailboat races each year. But one can find RC congestion during opening days and crazy Fourth of July events thirty or more miles away. These I usually avoid.
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