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Old 06-22-2016, 04:11 PM   #21
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All one has to do is look at all the semi-abandoned or near derelict sailboats along the Atlantic ICW and see the people rowing dinghies to and fro, barely afloat to know there is a segment of boating that is destined to failure, early death, etc...etc...


Whether the issue is lack of money, health care, experience, etc..... it is rather obvious and widespread....not necessarily huge numbers.


Sometimes the "free spirits" homestead and get tossed, sometimes not. Their existence is an issue because often popular anchorages become unavailable, townspeople dislike their appearance, occasionally laws are broken (certainly the sanitation laws in many cases)....


Sooooo....like many homeless, these "near" homeless need help on many levels. Wen they try and relocate...I can certainly see them taking huge risks and their lives in their hands.
Wifey B: Homelessness and near homelessness are huge issues and when you have nothing, you take chances you otherwise wouldn't. We know nothing about this family's situation. However, we do know there are a lot of people out there who see anything as better than where they are. I'm saddest for all the kids.
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Old 06-22-2016, 04:22 PM   #22
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I read an article today where they quoted either a family member or friend who said the boat was in bad shape. Very sad.
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Old 06-22-2016, 04:40 PM   #23
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I agree completely with you psneed.
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Old 06-22-2016, 05:41 PM   #24
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Well they couldn't have been to broke or homeless. Because the picture associated with the story shows them sitting at Marina Jack's in Sarasota. And that's not the cheapest place to get a drink and a bite to eat around there.
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Old 06-22-2016, 05:47 PM   #25
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The local news just showed the debris, like new life jackets, fenders and lots more. So sad, still hoping for a positive outcome. The Coast Guard will search over night.
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Boaters Missing off Englewood Florida

ABC news just reported USCG picking up a dead body in a life jacket, near the other items found 33 NM off Englewood Beach. What a nightmare.


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A second hand 1st generation Spot Messenger (cheap!) would have had the coast guard there fast
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Boating is inherently dangerous. People's remains are frequently (several a year) recovered in our local waters.
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Old 06-22-2016, 07:53 PM   #29
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ABC news just reported USCG picking up a dead body in a life jacket, near the other items found 33 NM off Englewood Beach. What a nightmare.

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They also reported finding 6 of the 7 life jackets aboard floating... along w other fliatsom... why are people so against wearing them when conditions turn bad?
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Why the delay between last heard from on Sunday's phone call to Tuesday's cg call?
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There is no easy fix for some things. Most people choose the situation they are in or do not have the drive to do more. Everyone here was apparently able bodied and old enough to make decisions. Who led them and set an example? Too bad for the aimless children.
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Old 06-22-2016, 08:59 PM   #32
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Yes, the father knew the conditions were bad and still didn't have the kids put on life jackets.

Apparently, they've been living on the boat that hadn't been maintained for about a year. He decided to sail it in rough seas (I've heard 6' but haven't found any confirmation of that and places I looked showed less) from Sarasota to Fort Myers to do repairs at his brothers, which explains why he called his brother and then why subsequently the brother called the CG. I don't understand how a parent can be so irresponsible.
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So they've identified the first body as that of the 17 yr old daughter and now they've found a second body.
Just heard on the news that a sailboat mast has been spotted and they have boats on the way to investigate.

So damned sad.
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So they've identified the first body as that of the 17 yr old daughter and now they've found a second body.
Just heard on the news that a sailboat mast has been spotted and they have boats on the way to investigate.

So damned sad.
I think I read the sailboat mast was spotted more than 100 miles or more offshore, about 3 times further out than the area of the debris field....not likely linked to the case.

The second body was found 4 miles from the first....with the time difference, to be expected and probably where the others are/were at one point.

That's probably why the number of SAR assets is actually pretty low....the "real" search area is pretty well defined now.
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I think I read the sailboat mast was spotted more than 100 miles or more offshore, about 3 times further out than the area of the debris field....not likely linked to the case.

The second body was found 4 miles from the first....with the time difference, to be expected and probably where the others are/were at one point.

That's probably why the number of SAR assets is actually pretty low....the "real" search area is pretty well defined now.
What a terrible situation, lt is hard to imagine the last moments of those kids, hopefully some survivors will be found.
The report I heard was that the girl was wearing a life jacket, don't know about second body found
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Old 06-23-2016, 06:47 PM   #37
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We've had a tradition of pretty sketchy vessels here in Sarasota. The city was infamous for taking the harbor anchorage and creating a paid mooring field, part of an attempt to fend off derelict vessels and unaccountability of abstract ownership. It worked, but quite a few simply moved a little further south to another anchorage field. If indeed, the vessel in question was in less than safe operable condition, it wouldn't be out of line with many other vessels that are there now. When the winds visit us, you can usually find a few of them torn from anchor lines and moorings, later to be found aground here and there along the Gulf ICW or Sarasota Bay. A decision to sail down to Ft. Myers seems doable for almost anything that sails. I haven't heard whether or not the boat had a working engine, but if it didn't, it would be a challenge to manage the boat on some of the narrow sections of the ICW from south Sarasota to Charlotte Harbor. This may have been why they chose to go outside. So sorry for the family and friends as we may never know the details....details that many may prefer not to know.
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Old 06-23-2016, 07:19 PM   #38
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Usually more to the story as 6 foot waves are hardly survival size....maybe uncomfortable...unless the boat was awful...
True. But IF they ran into a thunderstorm (who knows?) and IF they did not take the sails down when they saw it coming (again, who knows?) then the boat could have been laid on its side easily. A thunderstorm cell can generate gusts of 50 or 60 knots, as you know.

But . . . who knows? A tragedy no matter how you look at it.
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Old 06-23-2016, 07:52 PM   #39
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Sure, there are always what ifs that can kill the best salty dog....

We will probably never know the real cause of what happened...but we do know that 6 foot seas no matter how steep shouldn't do in the average 29 foot sailboat....as it is done all the time....
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Seems the bodies have been ID as the father and daughter, and the search called off today.
The boat had an outboard motor and, the boat, was not "in the best shape". Sad, what a difference motoring in the ICW would have made.
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