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Old 08-11-2018, 10:40 PM   #1
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Is PNW low priced mooring possible?

Anyone knows a very affordable mooring for a 50+ boat in the Seattle area?
I am interested in any solution, private dock, sublease, buoy, breakwater pier, etc. Low price is crucial. If that even exist anymore....
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Not that many moorings available in our area. Usually it is just dock space. The problem is that in Puget Sound dock space isnít cheap. The closer to Seattle the more expensive it gets.

Can you go further from Seattle?
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Can you go further from Seattle?
Yes, I can, but I have to commute to downtown for work everyday.
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There are always cheaper places, but you have to beat the bushes to find them. I always have found non marina dockage. I haven't docked a private boat in a marina since the 1970s. Except as a transient. Check out waterfront businesses and houses with a dock but no marine use. Some people want extra money from renting their dock. Sometimes with power and water and sometimes not.

I have a private dock on the Columbia where I winter. Before I got it, the po rented space for $4/foot and power but no water. I could put in a well, but just use my watermaker.
Old dilapidated docks with commercial fishing boats is another place to look. In general any area that has commercial boats with few yachts has cheaper dockage.
If you're tied to Seattle because of work, you could consider Kitsap County and ride the ferry. I use to do that as a walk on passenger. I kept a beater car on the Seattle side and it was free to park (at that time) on the Kitsap side. Lotta houses over there with docks, many don't use their dock. I use to cross at Southworth.

The further you get away from Seattle, the better prices are in general.
There is a slough or river on the backside of Everett that has some cheaper docks. I haven't been there, but had a friend that kept a commercial boat there in the off season.
Another possibility is get a cheap powerboat and buy dockage for that and tie the big boat to pilings or anchor out. I do that in Alaska sometimes. I carry a 16' Bayliner for grocery trips.
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I have a private dock on the Columbia where I winter.

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Yes, I can, but I have to commute to downtown for work everyday.


One thought that came to mind was Eagle Harbor. They have cleared out the derelicts over the past several years and have an Open Water Marina (basically moorage) that they started this year. I donít know the costs or if there are still openings available, but you could take the ferry to Seattle from there and it is a nice spot. Well protected, nice town, and Bainbridge is working hard at maintaining their waterfront heritage.

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Wifey B: I always love "reasonable" questions. We were amazed how cheap dockage in the PNW was. All a matter of perspective and we were comparing to South Florida and the Bahamas and NYC.

Perhaps it would help for one to define "reasonable". What prices are you looking for or hoping for or what prices are you considering "unreasonable?"
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When I went through New York City it was about $7/ft/night for transients. I didn't call that reasonable. On the other hand in Ramea, Newfoundland, a years dockage for a <26' boat was $20 (Canadian!). Over 26' was the ripoff rate of $60/yr. I'd call that reasonable.
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We have friends that used to live aboard in Seattle. They lived in several places including Shilshole and Eagle Harbor. I believe the least expensive moorage by far was at Duwamish Yacht Club.
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I know a place where a 20'x60' covered slip in a marina that's less than 10 years old runs around $250/month.


The only problem is it's a loooooong commute to Seattle. About 3.5 hours.
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One thought that came to mind was Eagle Harbor.
https://www.bainbridgewa.gov/Documen...plication-2017
Yes, I know about this and I really like the price, but traveling in and out on a dinghy to work, is not really what I want. The ferry ride is short, but there is no parking either. Unless you rent a space somewhere.
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Perhaps it would help for one to define "reasonable". What prices are you looking for or hoping for or what prices are you considering "unreasonable?"
Reasonable is a relative term. To some a 1500-2000/mo fee is acceptable, to me the promotional 600/mo is high. I would pay 2-300/mo happily for my 50+ boat somewhere, with 1-2 hours commute, but it does not exist.
The only place I know is the Eagle Harbor open water mooring, but it requires dinghy commute to shore. In a nasty weather condition, or when emergency repairs are needed; it could be very challenging. Solar system and watermaker is almost a requirement there. They have a one-time only application process, so it is not easy to coordinate the process, even if I'd decided to go there. The 200+/mo price is very attractive, though.
All the others are the same price. Port Orchard, Bremerton, Bainbridge, La Conner, Port Townsend, would charge you $8+/foot/mo. Sometimes have promotions, but it is rare.
Anything closer to Seattle starts at $12/foot and goes up to $18-20/foot. For my boat that means 800-2000/mo mooring fee. Even if I could afford it, I would not pay that much.
South Seattle's Duwamish Yacht Club is priced very reasonably, but there is a big problem there. The bottom is too muddy and it is filling up rapidly. The Club will not renew the lease with the city, because they don't have money to clean the waters. Everybody is trying to sell the slips, but nobody is buying them. So, the prices are low. Perhaps it could work for someone for short term.
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Check out waterfront businesses and houses with a dock but no marine use. Some people want extra money from renting their dock. Sometimes with power and water and sometimes not.

Yes, I found one of those and it has almost realized with a very good price, but the owner cancelled it in the last minute. Long story.


Old dilapidated docks with commercial fishing boats is another place to look. In general any area that has commercial boats with few yachts has cheaper dockage.

I like the idea, but parking in Seattle is a mess and expensive. Safe parking, at least. I have two vehicles, a car and a motorcycle.


If you're tied to Seattle because of work, you could consider Kitsap County and ride the ferry. I use to do that as a walk on passenger.

That is what I am doing now. I ride the ferry and light-rail everyday. Long commute and the price is a bit high for me, but I could not find better, yet.


Another possibility is get a cheap powerboat and buy dockage for that and tie the big boat to pilings or anchor out. I do that in Alaska sometimes. I carry a 16' Bayliner for grocery trips.
I am not sure, if could work here in Puget Sound?
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Sorry LeoKa. This may sound silly, but if you can't find reasonable moorage near work, would you be in a situation where you could change jobs? The pay would likely be less outside of Seattle, but the cost of living and commute would also be significantly less. I would just shoot myself if I had to commute to Seattle for work.
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I know a place where a 20'x60' covered slip in a marina that's less than 10 years old runs around $250/month.


The only problem is it's a loooooong commute to Seattle. About 3.5 hours.
Can you send me that info Iím looking for a winter home for Captain Conner.

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Is PNW low priced mooring possible?

A lot of people just pitch a tent downtown and walk to work. And it is free.
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Sorry LeoKa. This may sound silly, but if you can't find reasonable moorage near work, would you be in a situation where you could change jobs? The pay would likely be less outside of Seattle, but the cost of living and commute would also be significantly less. I would just shoot myself if I had to commute to Seattle for work.
Close to 20 years employment, and few years till retirement; I don't think I want to look for another job.
I completely understand your feelings about the commute.
I just did not want to wait any longer with the boat purchase. I have it now, I just need to figure out the most economical mooring option.
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I have it now, I just need to figure out the most economical mooring option.
Make sure you do that in the broadest sense, not the narrow sense of just what the mooring or slip costs. Add in the commute cost and time. Factor something in for pleasure.

As an example, take 2 slips.

Slip A is a 30 mile commute, 1 hour and 10 minutes, but $300 per month.

Slip B is a 5 mile commute, 10 minutes, but $500 per month.

So A initially appears $200 cheaper.

However, add 50 miles per day x 22 workdays per month for 1100 miles at a conservative 25 cents per mile and that is $275.

Then add in the time of 60 hours a month. That can force you to pay for some work you could do yourself, could make you pick up dinner from a restaurant rather than cook, and just generally worsen quality of life. I'm just going to assign it a value of $10/hour although certainly you value your time more than that. So $600.

Now, Slip B is actually $675 per month less expensive.

We tend to underestimate the cost of commuting as we look at gas only, but there are all the variable costs of operating a vehicle including maintenance and tires and the depreciation of the car plus lowering of resale value.

As to time, we tend to way since we're not using that time for work it doesn't carry a value. But that's just not true. First, it's got lifestyle value, the value of time to relax and enjoy. Second, it does force us to pay to get work done, we could do. Third, is eating habits and that's both a health and financial issue. Preparing your own meals, you can probably eat for $10 per day, maximum of $12. Drive through for three meals will cost you at least $14 per day. Picking up a decent dinner or eating in a restaurant and your daily meal cost goes to $20 per day or as much as $30 per day. Surveys have shown that most workers value time more even than pay and if given a choice between 10% fewer hours and 10% more pay would take the fewer hours.
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Close to 20 years employment, and few years till retirement; I don't think I want to look for another job.
I completely understand your feelings about the commute.
I just did not want to wait any longer with the boat purchase. I have it now, I just need to figure out the most economical mooring option.

Yup. I get it.


I hope you find some less expensive moorage that isn't too far away.
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