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Old 12-12-2013, 12:39 PM   #21
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No disrespect, daddyo , but if you haven't cruised the St Johns , seems to me your opinion on GCS is worthless. Why not keep it to yourself ? I lived and worked on that waterfront several years. Got along perfectly well with the marina operators.

As far as I know, the St Johns is still a bargain place to keep.a boat.

If it's cruising areas they're looking for , I vote for the Keys. Secluded anchorages. Protected waters. And good jumping off point for the Bahamas.
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Old 12-12-2013, 03:36 PM   #22
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I was kind of 'upset' to hear negative comments about that area as well. I looked at it a few years ago as a potential spot to build and dock a 'thai style floating houseboat' I had in mind building.

It seemed to offer a lot of low-key possibilities, including less hassle from civic authorities of a town, and some commercial properties right on site.

I also have some friends that live in St Augustine,...not to far a drive away.

If I remember correctly though there was a large portion of the old Navy docks that had been 'condemned for use' until proper repair could be done. And these were heavy duty docks that likely would not get repaired anytime soon due to lack of monies?

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Old 12-12-2013, 05:49 PM   #23
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Old 12-12-2013, 06:22 PM   #24
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Brian. The port at GCS are 1/4 mile long, drive on piers. The marina occupies one pier. Others are rented to commercial operations. That area is perfect for your floating home concept. My brother moved there in the late 80s and still lives in GCS. It's a delightful, low key community.

I haven't been there lately and can't speak to the piers being condemned. The waterfront was operated by Reynolds - a quick internet search should direct you to whom to call.
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Old 12-12-2013, 06:47 PM   #25
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Twin dolphin marina in downtown Bradenton (west coast) is receptive to liveaboards and extended cruisers.. Good walk around down town with library a block away. Now for upscale, marina jack's in downtown Sarasota is hard to beat. Right downtown in a fun walk around community high in culture and amenities. Weather is great in both locations. Cheap is relative depending on things like whether you will have private transportation available or are walking or bicycle bound and reliant on public transportation.
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Old 12-12-2013, 09:44 PM   #26
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Location, location, location. You get what you pay for, and the convenience of what's nearby. Some things that look cheap on paper, are anything but- once you realize where your at, and how far away it's from anything, and I mean anything with the exception of mosquitos and noseeums. If you have to spend hours to reach open water because you're so far up idles zone only canals and rivers to get out to open water BEFORE you can even turn left or right to go anywhere- and that "anywhere" is still hours away, then maybe you just wasted more money in fuel than if you had just paid to dock right near the nice places in the first place? Need a rental car to go to a grocery store, and the closest Rental car agency is 20 miles away? (Enterprise will pick you up).. you get what you pay for!

There's a reason cheap places are cheap, and expensive places are expensive. We've got some really bad neighborhoods in Florida just "right around the corner there" from the waterfront. You CAN get easily killed here. I've chased crazy people off my boat and OUT of my RV (in both Key West and Key Largo) before, and it took me whipping out a machine gun to do it!! Guess where the most people are at? Not at the cheap places. You only want to socialize with other cheapskates, I mean frugal folks or would you like to (as Jim Morrison used to say) "elevate your taste in trolls?" Maybe your neighbors at the nice places have premium brands to share, whereas at the cheap joint- YOU might be expected to pay, and have 'Coleman's' to deal with? You buy (or rent) quality you only cry once.
ANYBODY thinking about coming to Florida MUST read Tim Dorsey's Novels!!! They're more true than not. I may, or may not be Serge. :>), and even I who drives through Opa Locka (I like to think of it as a "bad part of the Caribbean") daily will NOT go into Miami Gardens!!! (oh, just one wrong turn off the Interstate) so do you feel lucky?
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A recent normal sunday at Lucky's joint out in the Glades. A famous photographer (Lucky Cole, leather cowboy hat, he's big!) GOOGLE HIM UP for some wonderful photos of his work-if you don't like naked girls, then move on, famous writer (Tim Dorsey in the socks), an Artist and Yacht Broker (me, in Norstrom Kangol, at 6'), some kind of Park Ranger (pretty well strapped too I must say), and some guy I don't know. For your safety stay at the secure marinas! If this is what rich old white guys in the arts can look like down here, are you prepared for the young bums? Yes, there's a story in the photo, but for the life of me can't tell you what is. Fill in the blanks yourself.
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Mothball Fleet of DE's at Green Cove Springs

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Brian. The port at GCS are 1/4 mile long, drive on piers. The marina occupies one pier. Others are rented to commercial operations. That area is perfect for your floating home concept. My brother moved there in the late 80s and still lives in GCS. It's a delightful, low key community.

I haven't been there lately and can't speak to the piers being condemned. The waterfront was operated by Reynolds - a quick internet search should direct you to whom to call.
That is were I first viewed the Great Harbor Trawlers out of the water,...one of my trips thru there.

I was real surprised to learn of and see photos of what had existed at that 'port'. Learned that upon a visit to that little military museum at the airfield across the road.

With the end of the war, in 1946 and 1947 about 600 DEs, APDs and other ships were berthed at Green Cove Springs, FL, in what was known as the US Naval Atlantic Reserve or " Mothball Fleet". But, there is little written or documented about this historic event. The two ships on which I served were sent here in 1946 to wait patiently in case they were again needed to serve our country.
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Old 12-13-2013, 01:37 AM   #29
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No disrespect, daddyo , but if you haven't cruised the St Johns , seems to me your opinion on GCS is worthless. Why not keep it to yourself ?
Really, wow? I have been to GCS several times with clients to look at boats. I have talked to brokers there and boat owners several times. Did I shoot someone's dog? I don't care for GCS. He was asking opinions, I can't have one? Sorry to offend by answering with a different response from yours. I'm going to bite my tongue now.

On second thought. I cruise many thousands of miles a year (in the here and now). I've been to GCS several times in the last 22 months. I just spent seven days of the Thanksgiving holiday at the hospital with my 14 yr old daughter who nearly died on Thanksgiving eve. Two nights ago the two story three car garage that we stored our lifetime of possessions in while we are temporarily in a much smaller house burned to the ground. Last night my Dad informed me he has cancer (slow growing) and now today I have to listen to you telling me to go sit in a corner? In spite of my personal trials, I have posted here on this site offering insight, advice, attaboys and encouragement. I have spent many hundreds of hours posting information and pictures that some felt helpful, I'm sorry you deemed this opinion to be "worthless". This site has always stood above the others because it has been about the free exchange of information and opinions without the rancor or dismissiveness of so many other sites. Did you ever see the movie "Falling Down"?
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Mark, That totally sucks. I can only say "living well is the best revenge" to the naysayers, and those jealous of your successful lifestye, and in an weak attempt to make lemonade out of the lemons of the fire- at least your now finally free of possessions that might had possession of you, and can start over with a clean slate with new stuff in new boxes. Nothing lasts anyway but memories. Hope the daughter is well.
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She is doing better, it's a long haul, thanks! I was always taught it's what happens in your heart and mind that matters not the stuff, so thank God I'm good on that count. I told others, hey we come in empty handed we're going to go out the same way. Do only brokers stay up this late lol?
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Do only brokers stay up this late lol?
Glad she is doing better and I hope all continues in that direction.

No, not only brokers are up late. Someone has to keep an eye on the brokers and this is my night.
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Daddyo. I stand corrected. In your post slamming GCS you specifically say you have not cruised the St Johns River. Plus you do not say you have visited GCS several times in the last 22 months - I inferred that your knowledge was 2nd hand. You've been there more recently than I so I defer to your opinion and apologize for jumping to conclusions. I am also sorry for the personal hard times that seem to be piling up on you.
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Old 12-13-2013, 09:48 AM   #34
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Violent crime rate in 2011 Green Cove Springs:
488.4 U.S. Average:
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Violent crime rate in 2010 Green Cove Springs:
573.4 U.S. Average:
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Violent crime rate in 2009 Green Cove Springs:
635.0 U.S. Average:
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Violent crime rate in 2008 Green Cove Springs:
680.5 U.S. Average:
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Violent crime rate in 2006 Green Cove Springs:
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Miami has a violent crime rate in 2011 of 624 (same web site) - for a boater, it's a pretty darn nice place to have a home port. Biscayne Bay has some of the best day sailing/boating year round of any place in the lower 48 - close to the keys and the Bahamas.

I understand considering crime can be a factor in choosing a domicile - and for some, the main reason. Personally, I've lived in greater Miami all my adult life - been the victim of crime (burgled and robbed) - only during the race riots did I consider (only for a moment) of moving out. Raised my kids here and have 6 or 8 of my grandkids here. Not moving out anytime soon.

Crime rate in Miami, Florida (FL): murders, rapes, robberies, assaults, burglaries, thefts, auto thefts, arson, law enforcement employees, police officers statistics
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I just spent seven days of the Thanksgiving holiday at the hospital with my 14 yr old daughter who nearly died on Thanksgiving eve. Two nights ago the two story three car garage that we stored our lifetime of possessions in while we are temporarily in a much smaller house burned to the ground. Last night my Dad informed me he has cancer (slow growing) and now today I have to listen to you telling me to go sit in a corner? In spite of my personal trials, I have posted here on this site offering insight, advice, attaboys and encouragement. I have spent many hundreds of hours posting information and pictures that some felt helpful, I'm sorry you deemed this opinion to be "worthless". This site has always stood above the others because it has been about the free exchange of information and opinions without the rancor or dismissiveness of so many other sites. Did you ever see the movie "Falling Down"?
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Mee too, Mark. Prayers are for you and the healing of all issues in the New Year. Deeply sorry.
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Daddyo. I stand corrected. In your post slamming GCS you specifically say you have not cruised the St Johns River. Plus you do not say you have visited GCS several times in the last 22 months - I inferred that your knowledge was 2nd hand. You've been there more recently than I so I defer to your opinion and apologize for jumping to conclusions. I am also sorry for the personal hard times that seem to be piling up on you.
Accepted and appreciated, thanks! Thanks all for your kind thoughts and words.
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Mark, so sorry to hear about your trials. I'll pray for your daughter and father. Go the extra few miles to the keys. You can't beat the price we payed last year. And the pool and people were great. I'm in Telico lake just south of Knoxville. I'm house sitting a home with a nice dock. I'm fixing her up for the next cruise. I bought a 740 Garmin with a new Garmin autopilot an a fridge. They all need to be installed. I hope to see ya next year

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Daniel, have you checked out Gulfport City Marina on the east side of Boca Ciega Bay. They are accepting live aboards and are reasonably priced. Close to the charming little town. Down side, no see ums that are prevalent before sunset. Loggerhead south of there on intercoastal. Nice facility, neighborhood not so good. Tierra Verde Resort Marina on the Grand Canal across from your present location will be a first class full service marina when completed but only accept short term transients.
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