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Old 02-19-2015, 06:48 PM   #1
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Does your marina...

When a boat is brought to a marina how do they determine the actual length of the vessel?

Since I imagine all marinas are different, as far as their policies are concerned, I'm throwing out the question here on TF attempting to get a consensus of what is typical and what I could expect in the future.

On the same topic... Are transient boats scrutinized more or less than if you were searching for a longer term slip?

Here's the hypothetical example that brought up these questions:

Say you've got a boat that measures 50' LOA according to the builders certificate but at some point after purchasing the boat a small swim step was added which now makes the boat 52' LOA.


1. Does your marina accept what is shown on the vessel's builders certificate?

2. Do they take your word for it?

3. Do they measure it?

What's the norm, if any, here?
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Old 02-19-2015, 06:57 PM   #2
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What I have seen they wil go by the longest measurement that's swim deck include in the measurement. You maybe able to give them the measurement but they are all different
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They are all different. I tell them I have a 36' trawler with a dinghy on davits. They will either charge me for 36 or 41. Depends who is working that day. I'm not going to argue about $10.
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Old 02-19-2015, 07:12 PM   #4
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In the last 3 years and probably 50 different marinas along the ICW, I have never been questioned beyond what I have said. Occasionally I have even said 39 when it says 40 Albin on the side (documentation says 39.4) and the marinas never said boo.

Now for long term or yearly...and more often dry storage...I gave seen the tape measure come out.
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Old 02-19-2015, 07:24 PM   #5
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Like others have said. . .depends.
Most overnight guest moorage at the marinas we visit will accept whatever length you give them. My home marina measures your boat from tip of the bow pulpit to the outboard edge of the dingy of all permanent resident boats.
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Old 02-19-2015, 07:26 PM   #6
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Agree it varies by marina. Some of the places up north in PNW that do only transient on side ties get very particular and will jam boats anchor to stern with little room between and if they get a few boats a little longer than stated they can lose a spot that has been reserved. So every inch of length is accounted for.
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Old 02-19-2015, 07:40 PM   #7
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Ours is via the size of berth you take, so if you have a 36' footer on a 40' berth you pay the 40' rate.
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Old 02-19-2015, 08:08 PM   #8
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Another twist usually for long term dockage is that you pay for the slip. My charter boat is in a 38' slip even though it's only 35' boat. That's what the slip holds; that's what they're going to charge me for it.

My 45' trawler will be in a very nice 50' floating dock slip (different marina) this summer. It's the only floating dock the marina has and they save many of these slips for large transients who will pay a premium for a floating dock slip. To get the slip, I had to pay for it in December, seasonal rate for a 50' boat. That's the deal, take it or leave it. Now if you stretch a tape measure from my bow pulpit to the swim platform, it would measure about 52'. So I'm not complaining.

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Some marina's just take your word for it. If you say you have a Gofast 35 they charge you for 35'.

Others will quiz you when you say that. They will typically ask what is the overall length including bowsprit and swim platform and charge you accordingly, but they do not measure.

But the absolute worst was a Long Beach California marina which has very few transients. They send a crew out with a tape measure and get the exact length. If you are 1" over the maximum allowed length for a given slip they won't let you dock there.

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Agree it varies by marina. Some of the places up north in PNW that do only transient on side ties get very particular and will jam boats anchor to stern with little room between and if they get a few boats a little longer than stated they can lose a spot that has been reserved. So every inch of length is accounted for.
That is my experience too. Trust, but verify. Out comes the surveyor's wheel...

At my home marina, we pay OA length or slip length, whichever is longer.
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Our marina charges by the length of the slip and the footprint of the boat. They used to charge by slip length only but the trend now in this area is to include the boat's footprint in the formula. I was told this is partly due to a lot of newer, fatter sailboats (and power boats sometimes) making it impossible to put two boats into a slip.

As far as visting marinas during a cruise, we always say the make, model, and model length when we make the reservation or call prior to arrival. To date, every place we've gone in the last 16 years has accepted that and charged us accordingly even though the model length does not include the swimstep, pulpit, or any aft-mounted dinghies. Nobody has ever come out with a tape measure or measuring wheel.

The situation may have been different if we did not have a very common production boat model to this area.
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Old 02-19-2015, 10:08 PM   #12
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As a transient I've been taken at my word all but one time (in Bamfield, B.C.). The harbormaster walked the length of my boat and said I owed for an additional 2' (this in a 22' C-Dory).

My boat says Nordic Tugs 37 on the side, but it's really a few inches shy of 40', plus the dinghy on the swim step. Probably 43' or 44' overall, though I've never actually measured. Nobody complains about my boat in a 38' slip with 6' of allowable overhang.
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Old 02-19-2015, 10:34 PM   #13
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I agree with a previous post that the answer will be: there is no consensus or common practice. At our home marina we pay for a slip by size of the slip, not the size of the boat, however, then we have a 10% rule -- a boat can exceed the length of a slip by 10%. In other words in our 36' slip we can have a max boat of 39' 6" -- but when it comes to measuring, they usually use the builder's model number/length, they don't actually measure anything. (Our 32 Carver is really 36 with the swim step and bow pulpit. Our new Mainship 37 will really stretch the +10% limit of that 36' slip, but the marina manager says it's close enough.) In all the transient slips we've ever used though, we've never been measured -- but then we've never stayed in a super high-end marina like in California or Newport.
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Old 02-20-2015, 12:49 AM   #14
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Ours is via the size of berth you take, so if you have a 36' footer on a 40' berth you pay the 40' rate.

Same here except I'm in a covered and enclosed berth. If the door cannot close you get the next size up and pay for it. Transient side ties locally takes your stated length in my experience.
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Old 02-20-2015, 01:04 AM   #15
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I got a longer/wider berth at no extra cost because a "proper" sized berth couldn't handle my boat's 4-minus-foot draft. ... A marina with double-digit vacancy has certain advantages.


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Ours is via the size of berth you take, so if you have a 36' footer on a 40' berth you pay the 40' rate.
Ditto here for slip charge - End docks are by measured foot though.
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Ditto here for slip charge - End docks are by measured foot though.
Art, which marina are you located? And can you forgive me for asking? Send PM if needed.
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Most marinas ask and we tell them 43'. Wesport, WA went off the vessel documentation. We have been measured only twice to confirm the length and both times were in in Southern California.
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If they charge by the foot, I give them the number on the side of the boat. If they charge by the season, I simply make sure the boat can fit into the slip. I've been in marina' where you can't extend beyond the pilings, or 'n' feet beyond the pilings in others. In those cases either you fit or you don't. I have been measured for winter storage. I saw a guy try to get into a transient slip where there were several boats side tied to the dock. The capt. gave the number on the side of the boat. When they tried to parallel park him, the dock attendants called him on the actual size of the vessel when they couldn't fit him in his spot.
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As far as visting marinas during a cruise, we always say the make, model, and model length when we make the reservation or call prior to arrival. To date, every place we've gone in the last 16 years has accepted that and charged us accordingly even though the model length does not include the swimstep, pulpit, or any aft-mounted dinghies. Nobody has ever come out with a tape measure or measuring wheel.

The situation may have been different if we did not have a very common production boat model to this area.

Building on this, though... and as Shrew just reported...

There's at least one local destination marina in this area where telling them actual length is necessary. This is a museum dock, nominally four 50' side tie-ups. In this case, it's not particularly a cost issue, but rather a viability issue.

Our boat is nominally 42' but actually 46'1" counting pulpit and swim platform -- and then another couple feet longer in reality because our dinghy hangs off the stern on a cantilever mount.

At this particular marina, I've been in one of those 50' face dock "slips" with about a (one, single) foot to spare, that spare foot being between our swim platform and boat aft's swim platform... and with our pulpit over the boat ahead's swim platform. Were I to tell them a lower number, they may well allow another boat to take up more than 50' along there and I'd be out of luck.

BTW, we pulled off a very elegant docking maneuver when we entered that particular time, warping in on a spring line. The Hinckley skipper behind and the Viking skipper ahead were both watching closely, standing by to "help" (meaning protect their boats) -- but I love it when a plan comes together!



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