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Old 02-23-2014, 12:09 PM   #21
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What is the best method you have found to keep Ice from forming around a Trawler during the winter while docked?


I have spent many winter seasons as a liveaboard , sometimes locked in the ice.

No problem with the boat locked in , the only problem is in the spring when the boat can begin to move again the breeze can move it enough to scratch the bottom paint at the WL a bit.

THEN is time for a hammer or an ice eater to widen the hole the boat is sitting in.

The bublers suck for a liveaboard as the noise is constant , for a month or more.

ONLY a wooden boat with calking needs to fear being ice bound , as the cotton in the seams can be started by motion after a solid freeze in.
Ditto. Kept her in a non-bubbler marina the two first winters. Guess ice thikness was 2 - 4 inches at the coldest of winter. Like FF says, only "problem" is when it starts thawing. Warmer water down below will heat your hull ever so slightly; melting the ice and creating a minute water gap between hull and ice. Any movement of the boat will rub your antfouling against the ice.
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Old 02-24-2014, 08:54 AM   #22
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Yep, bubblers, like engine room heaters, will work fine until the power goes out for several hours.

You may need a backup plan.
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Old 02-24-2014, 08:55 AM   #23
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Yep, bubblers, like engine room heaters, will work fine until the power goes out for several hours.

You may need a backup plan.
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Old 02-24-2014, 09:30 AM   #24
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Yes.

And someone to start it up and keep it fuelled. Or some way for you to be notified to drop what you're doing and get down to the boat with the generator ASAP.
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Old 02-24-2014, 09:40 AM   #25
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ice eaters need power too...what's a good alternative?

other than Florida of course...
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You can always pick the spendy version. This is an amphibex: something between a boat, a plane and a backhoe. It is used to break up ice on the Red River which flows north from the US and through Winnipeg. It runs on an air cushion and has outrigger floats or hydraulically run air cushions. The more northerly (colder) areas Dam up with the released ice from the southern areas and cause flooding. For boaters, it is the ice in motion that really does the damage. You can look at trees along the river bank in the summer and about five feet up the trunk you will see all the areas where the bark is shredded.
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Old 02-24-2014, 10:19 AM   #27
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Hard to imagine how this chunk of metal with relatively small footprint can be moved on air cushion ... a pretty machine nevertheless.

Regarding a backup plan ...

This is my backup plan ... if all else fails I call in these guys to fix/reposition the dock.
Not cost effective but what can you do ... nature always wins, give her the time.

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Old 02-24-2014, 10:23 AM   #28
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Yes.

And someone to start it up and keep it fuelled. Or some way for you to be notified to drop what you're doing and get down to the boat with the generator ASAP.
I have lived in two harbours in Ontario winters. The liveaboard communities in those harbours are the tightest I have ever known There are always people there to start your genny, secure your power cords or lines and keep the racoons away from your boat.
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....or you could also use the Canadian economy version.


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I have spent many winter seasons as a liveaboard , sometimes locked in the ice.

No problem with the boat locked in , the only problem is in the spring when the boat can begin to move again the breeze can move it enough to scratch the bottom paint at the WL a bit.

I'm counting on this! For a week or so my boat was locked in solid. I don't see any damage, inside or out. We'll see how she looks when I have her hauled in the Spring.
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Old 02-24-2014, 04:40 PM   #32
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Damn, that looks like Joe Biden.

This may be what they'll use to break up the ice on the Great Lakes once today's military budget cuts kick in and the USCG can no longer afford fuel for the icebreakers.
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Old 02-24-2014, 05:30 PM   #33
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Dealing With ICE in the Marina

I thought this thread was about Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
You guys are talking about those little cubes I use to keep my drinks cold?
Can't say I blame you, Parks. It's just the kind of thinking that one does when living south of Palm Beach.
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Larry are you referring to ICE, the coolest federal acronym ever, or ice in our drinks?
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Norm You can always pick the spendy version. This is an amphibex: something between a boat, a plane and a backhoe. It is used to break up ice on the Red River which flows north from the US and through Winnipeg. It runs on an air cushion and has outrigger floats or hydraulically run air cushions. The more northerly (colder) areas Dam up with the released ice from the southern areas and cause flooding. For boaters, it is the ice in motion that really does the damage. You can look at trees along the river bank in the summer and about five feet up the trunk you will see all the areas where the bark is shredded.
Very cool but a little over my budget for ice prevention......

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Larry are you referring to ICE, the coolest federal acronym ever, or ice in our drinks?
Of course, it is ICE, the Fed. Agency I refer to. ICE in marinas down here are a reality. I've seen at least one guy dive into the water at the site of ICE Agents walking down the dock. Not a welcome sight in Miami.
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I am a live aboard in Connecticut and our Marina supplies the ice eaters and the power to run them. That being said, I do have a 30 amp extension cord running from my boat to the dock tower ready to plug in the ice eaters and get electricity from my on board genny if power should go out.
I actually enjoy the soft splashing sound against the hull from the ice eaters. I can turn them off if needed and do frequently to conserve electricity.
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I get frozen in a lot. I usually just bust it up by hand. it never seemed to hurt the boat.

Then again she is an old boat. No shiny new gelcoat to wory about and the bottom paint comes above the waterline.

The harbor sends a tender around to bust it up. The wind blows the chunks away

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I get frozen in a lot. I usually just bust it up by hand. it never seemed to hurt the boat. sd
Skip: Are you staying in a marina in civilization, or are you back out there in the wilds again.
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Yep. I came back sold the island. Not as much fun without the Admiral.

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