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02-21-2018, 01:55 PM
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Senior Member
City: New York
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 338
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Bahamas problem..
Does the Marina share any liability in this situation?
https://youtu.be/1MRuOk7pTUc
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02-21-2018, 02:12 PM
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City: Miami
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 800
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The only moorings I every use there are checked and maintained seasonally by the guy in the blue t shirt. The moorings don’t belong to the marina. This winter there was more wind but all the gear was redone after the hurricanes. There were some pennants that were problematic but easy enough to deal with.
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05-22-2018, 09:51 AM
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Member
City: Los Angeles
Vessel Name: Wow, Boat
Vessel Model: Island Gypsy
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 18
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eeeshh... sorry about your experience. I don't know the answer to your question though.
Good luck
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05-22-2018, 11:03 AM
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Senior Member
City: Toronto
Vessel Name: Adios Dinero
Vessel Model: Bayliner 3988 2 x 330 Cummins
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 336
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I know Sheldon and C-Shels. His insurance (Aviva Skippers Plan) stepped right up on temporary and permanent repairs to his total satisfaction.
It is then up to the Insurance Company to determine if there is any point in seeking any recovery from the mooring field operator. This is why we buy insurance.
I had two basement floods a few years back in a new house. State Farm cancelled my renewal. I pointed our that the adjustor was informed that the local government had admitted they had connected sewer pipes the wrong way (sewer and storm water reversed, I had grass clippings backing up into my toilets.) and supplied all the contact information for both the city engineer and their insurance provider. State Farm had dropped the ball and I was reinstated immediately and there was no policy increase.
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05-22-2018, 01:25 PM
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City: Boston Area
Join Date: Feb 2017
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I think liability would be tough to prove in the US.....in the Bahamas I wouldn't even bother trying.
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05-22-2018, 02:05 PM
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Guru
City: Alexandria, VA
Vessel Model: 2000 Wellcraft
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,467
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And, I think it's pretty clear, that you would have to sue in the Bahamas, using Bahamian tort and liability law. Whatever that is.
I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting for a favorable verdict.
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05-22-2018, 02:15 PM
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City: Melbourne, FL
Join Date: Dec 2014
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I think they would be well advised to anchor out rather than pack a crowded mooring field, and add line spurs to their prop shafts...
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05-22-2018, 03:20 PM
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City: Boston Area
Join Date: Feb 2017
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I used to work there in the 90's. There was no such thing as "Liability" and they used to make fun of the US because everyone sues everyone for everything.
I worked for a subsidiary of Disney taking cruise passengers snorkeling. We had to have everyone fill out a medical form and liability waiver....wear a flotation device, listen to a 10 minute lecture, and have 5-10 lifeguards supervising.
The local snorkeling boats gave free shots of tequilla on the way to the reef and the guys working the boat couldn't swim.
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05-23-2018, 07:32 AM
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City: LI or Fla
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,148
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I can certainly see how this could happen to anyone, glad to see cooler heads prevailed and they got it all sorted out and on their way. All the best to them for future passages.
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05-23-2018, 08:01 AM
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Guru
City: Cary, NC
Vessel Name: Skinny Dippin'
Vessel Model: Navigator 4200 Classic
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,841
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Benthic2
The local snorkeling boats gave free shots of tequilla on the way to the reef
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Now that’s my kinda snorkeling trip!
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05-23-2018, 08:23 AM
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TF Site Team
City: Westerly, RI
Vessel Name: N/A
Vessel Model: 1999 Mainship 350 Trawler
Join Date: Jan 2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Benthic2
The local snorkeling boats gave free shots of tequila on the way to the reef and the guys working the boat couldn't swim.
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Interesting. I've been on many, many such excursions in the Bahamas and Carribean over decades. They all serve booze, however, I've only ever been served booze on the ride BACK.
The only exceptions are the sightseeing tours, which seem to open the bar almost immediately.
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05-23-2018, 08:36 AM
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City: Miami
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 800
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In the immortal words of Ronald Reagan “Trust but verify.” We’ve encountered enough bad pennants over the years to always rig our own in addition to the ones supplied. This has saved our bacon enough times that my wife actually won’t let me not do it once the dinghy gets into the water. I’ve seen several of the moorings bare boat cats snag and damage unoccupied mooring pennants in that harbor. The mooring we used this season had two of the three strands cut when we picked it up and the owner checked it the week before our arrival.
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05-23-2018, 08:51 AM
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City: Wilmington, NC
Vessel Name: Louisa
Vessel Model: Custom Built 38
Join Date: Jan 2014
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If I get on a mooring, first thing I do is tug on it in reverse. The more wind expected, the harder I tug. Nice calm weather, just a little juice in rev.
Pretty good insurance against waking up to the crunch sounds.
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05-23-2018, 09:00 AM
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Guru
City: Miami
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 800
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Yes another very good practice as it also lays out the mooring chain so you can get in sync with the whole mooring field and to also find out if you might be too long for the chosen block.
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