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08-31-2014, 10:59 AM
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City: FL
Join Date: Aug 2014
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Gulfstar 36
I am considering buying a 36' 1975 Gulfstar Mk 2 trawler and wondered if anyone knows what a reasonable offer to make would be. The boat is in good shape and is for sale in the mid 30's. The NADA website recommends $18,230 as a reasonable price for this boat with comparable equipment. It seems low to me and would like to know what other members have paid for the same boat.
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08-31-2014, 11:12 AM
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Guru
City: gulf coast
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 3,440
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IMO with a boat of that vintage condition is difficult to compare and all that matters.
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08-31-2014, 11:22 AM
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Member
City: FL
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 12
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Hello everyone I forgot to say hi in my original post.
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08-31-2014, 11:22 AM
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Technical Guru
City: Wilmington, NC
Vessel Name: Louisa
Vessel Model: Custom Built 38
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 6,194
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What engines? What kind of NAV equipment? Genset, and is it old or new? Lots of the value is in those things, and the condition. And then most important, what you are willing to pay!!
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08-31-2014, 11:31 AM
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Member
City: FL
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 12
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The engines are twin 85 hp Perkins. No Generator, and minimal electronics. A Garmin chart plotter, one on board vhf, and one hand held. The NADA website has drop down boxes to list equipment which I did, and the $18,230 number came up.
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08-31-2014, 11:35 AM
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Guru
City: Sarasota,FL/Thomasville,GA
Vessel Name: Steppin Stone IV
Vessel Model: Marine Trader Kelly Trawler 46
Join Date: Jul 2013
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AK were in Florida are and is the boat near
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09-14-2014, 09:26 AM
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Guru
City: Tuckerton, NJ
Vessel Name: WIRELESS ONE
Vessel Model: 36 Gulstar MarkII
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 938
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I paid $17,000 US for a 1976 36MkII w/ Westerbeke generator and 2 Perkins 4-154 62hp mains. The boat needs electrical work, hull and deck surveyed well.
Bill
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09-14-2014, 11:07 AM
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Moderator Emeritus
City: St. Marks, Florida
Vessel Name: Morgan
Vessel Model: Gulfstar 36
Join Date: Sep 2012
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IMO, mid-thirties would be top price, and that only with the boat in superb condition, lots of electronics, and improvements done by the PO (or PO's). Mid-twenties otherwise. $18K seems a tad low to me, but as others have observed there are two rules to follows:
1. What condition is the boat in?
2. (See Rule #1)
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09-14-2014, 11:44 AM
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Enigma
City: Slicker?
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Greetings,
Mr. ak. Welcome aboard.
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09-14-2014, 11:59 AM
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Guru
City: Fort Pierce
Vessel Name: Florita Ann
Vessel Model: 1982 Present
Join Date: May 2014
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Welcome, have fun.
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09-14-2014, 01:15 PM
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Member
City: FL
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 12
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Thanks for the greetings and the info guys.
It was a private seller, and he informed me that if I got a survey, he wouldn't be responsible for fixing any problems, but he was confident that they wouldn't find anything.
He was asking $34,900 and said he would sell it for $31,000. I had offered him $28,500.
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09-14-2014, 04:30 PM
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Guru
City: Little River SC
Vessel Name: JAZ
Vessel Model: Ta Chaio/CT35
Join Date: Jan 2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by akguit
Thanks for the greetings and the info guys.
It was a private seller, and he informed me that if I got a survey, he wouldn't be responsible for fixing any problems, but he was confident that they wouldn't find anything.
He was asking $34,900 and said he would sell it for $31,000. I had offered him $28,500.
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Wait for the survey before you talk numbers. You may get it for less or decide you don't want it.
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09-14-2014, 05:11 PM
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Guru
City: Hotel, CA
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 8,323
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Quote:
Originally Posted by akguit
...he informed me that if I got a survey, he wouldn't be responsible for fixing any problems...
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Fair enough, inform him you will walk if it fails survey. $28,500 is near top dollar for the boat, if it was $18,500 I could see his point. There's plenty of boats for sale.
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It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they've been fooled - Mark Twain
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09-14-2014, 05:20 PM
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Guru
City: Little River SC
Vessel Name: JAZ
Vessel Model: Ta Chaio/CT35
Join Date: Jan 2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CPseudonym
Fair enough, inform him you will walk if it fails survey. $28,500 is near top dollar for the boat, if it was $18,500 I could see his point. There's plenty of boats for sale.
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09-14-2014, 07:47 PM
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Guru
City: ketchikan, Alaska
Vessel Name: 'SLO'~BELLE
Vessel Model: 1978 Marben-27' Flybridge Trawler(extended to 30 feet) Pilothouse Pocket Cruiser[
Join Date: Apr 2012
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With the Perkins 4-236 (85hp) engines you are golden for longevity if they check out prior to purchase. If they were the Perkins 4-154 which was more common in these Gulfstars to my memory when looking for a replacement boat.
Not knowing then what I know now,
The 4-154 parts availability are slim to almost none where as the 4-236 is like having a 6-71 jimmy, where parts are everywhere for the 4-236.
I ended up with a Perkins 4-154 and the inherit leaking rear main seal .
I'd avoid any purchase where the Perkins 4-154 engine is involved- Ever!!!
As mentioned, condition is the factor, not the age so much. The price you are offering seems right in the ball park. Good luck on a purchase
Al
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09-14-2014, 11:12 PM
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TF Site Team
City: California Delta
Vessel Name: FlyWright
Vessel Model: 1977 Marshall Californian 34 LRC
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 13,728
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Quote:
Originally Posted by akguit
Thanks for the greetings and the info guys.
It was a private seller, and he informed me that if I got a survey, he wouldn't be responsible for fixing any problems, but he was confident that they wouldn't find anything.
He was asking $34,900 and said he would sell it for $31,000. I had offered him $28,500.
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Excellent advice above. You're in the driver seat offering high retail for that boat. Sellers can refuse to fix identified problems, but at the cost of selling price or lost opportunity to sell the boat. How long does he want to sit on a depreciating and slowly disintegrating asset? We all know that storing a boat, even if not using it, still costs money.
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09-15-2014, 07:25 AM
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
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Make sure the language of any offer contract is very explicit about what would be reasons to back out ............."fail of survey" is a slippery thing a friend of mine just found out.
I believe the easiest is to pick a hard number for "to be fixed issues" and make sure it's in the contract. If it exceeds that number for either party...the offer can be terminated.
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09-15-2014, 07:42 AM
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Guru
City: Full Time Cruising East Coast
Vessel Name: Meridian
Vessel Model: Krogen-42
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Posts: 1,014
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Don't both with NADA. There aren't enough comparisons.
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09-23-2014, 07:32 PM
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Guru
City: Tuckerton, NJ
Vessel Name: WIRELESS ONE
Vessel Model: 36 Gulstar MarkII
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 938
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Al I know you are concerned about your 4-154 Perkins. I on the other hand am not concerned. If the worst were to happen I'd probably repower with BETA Marine 50 to 55hp diesels. Although I have seen some great deals of rebuilt 4-108 and 4-236 diesels and or similar 4 cylinder diesels. Other than a major failure what are you worried about sourcing for the 4-154 engines? My engine surveys and the work I had done to my pair of 4-154's gives me no reason to doubt the reliability of these older diesels. Mine have slightly less than 2000 hours on them I fully expect them to run another 2000 to 5000 hours with the proper maintenance. For what I paid I still think the 4-154's and Velvet 71C's will give me years of cruising pleasure. Other than the parts availability for the Perkins 4-236 what would make you think they are any more robust or would outlast properly maintained 4-154's? I'm really curious and I am actually glad my horsepower and engine displacement is 62hp vs 85hp I doubt the 4-236 will move the boat much faster than the 4-154 duals? I'd think my NMPG might be a tad better with the smaller Perkins. I don't have any oil pan drip problems at least not yet.
Bill
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09-23-2014, 08:47 PM
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Guru
City: ketchikan, Alaska
Vessel Name: 'SLO'~BELLE
Vessel Model: 1978 Marben-27' Flybridge Trawler(extended to 30 feet) Pilothouse Pocket Cruiser[
Join Date: Apr 2012
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Billy111 Will compose a PO. Then if it comes out to what I want to say, I will post on the forum. Regards, Al
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