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Old 09-24-2011, 10:05 AM   #1
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After spending a few days reading through the forum I came upon a thread (can't remember title) wher the advice in a nut shell was stop waiting around and do it now. It hit close to home with me.

I've been waiting for the perfect opportunity and boat to come along and after reading that thread decided the perfect first boat will be the one that floats, we'll learn and make our mistakes on something very cheap and move on from there. I've had Boating skills and seamanship classes many years ago through the USCGA and plan on taking them again. I also plan on taking sailing lessons at a local sailing school. I do wish to be a safe and responsible boater.

I have been looking at Craigslist and was wondering if a list of boats in the California Bay and Delta region exists? I've tried Google with some varying levels of success and was wanting to make sure there was not an obvious site I was missing that is known by experienced boaters. I am on a very low starting budget and do not expect anything larger than what would fit on a trailer for a first boat, although if it is over 23 feet I would very much like to berth it in the Delta.

I thank you for any help you may provide.

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Old 09-24-2011, 10:29 AM   #2
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Craig,

"we'll learn and make our mistakes on something very cheap and move on from there."

That sounds like you may encounter more learning and mistakes than you have in mind. You should be aware of how much greif you can buy in a cheap boat. Don't think of your boat as a throw away but a keeper and keep in mind that you WILL part w her and it may be very much sooner or later than when you had in mind. Keep in mind though that in times like these (and they probably will continue or get worse) unloading a good boat is difficult but next to impossible for a dog. When you search on Yacht World click in the geographical area you want at times and look world wide at other times. You will learn something and perhaps quite a lot. To see what a boat looks like click on other boats of the same type and see the pics that are lacking on the one you are actually looking at. Don't try to "get it over with". The hunt is fun.
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*You should be aware of how much greif you can buy in a cheap boat.....* Keep in mind though that in times like these (and they probably will continue or get worse) unloading a good boat is difficult but next to impossible for a dog.......* Don't try to "get it over with". The hunt is fun.
******* Good advise and will save you a ton of stress. (If heeded.)
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After spending a few days reading through the forum I came upon a thread (can't remember title) wher the advice in a nut shell was stop waiting around and do it now. It hit close to home with me.

I've been waiting for the perfect opportunity and boat to come along and after reading that thread decided the perfect first boat will be the one that floats, we'll learn and make our mistakes on something very cheap and move on from there. I've had Boating skills and seamanship classes many years ago through the USCGA and plan on taking them again. I also plan on taking sailing lessons at a local sailing school. I do wish to be a safe and responsible boater.

I have been looking at Craigslist and was wondering if a list of boats in the California Bay and Delta region exists? I've tried Google with some varying levels of success and was wanting to make sure there was not an obvious site I was missing that is known by experienced boaters. I am on a very low starting budget and do not expect anything larger than what would fit on a trailer for a first boat, although if it is over 23 feet I would very much like to berth it in the Delta.

I thank you for any help you may provide.

~Craig
Hi Craig... Welcome to boating!
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I'm from*SF area.**After docking in San Rafael for Bay-Play and Pacific coast ventures outside the GG Bridge, we sold our Uniflite Sport Fisher Sedan and cruised our Tollycraft Tri Cabin into the Bay Delta.* For over two years now we've been docking under a covered berth in Stockton.* Plenty of cruising areas, islands*to visit, towns to visit, yacht harbors to review, restaurants to chow at, and warm clean*fresh water to swim in... good fishing too.* If you proceed in an orderly fashion to comprehensively research CL ads in SF, Stockton and Sacramento, as well as to call and/or visit boat yards and yacht harbors seeking a boat... you will eventually locate the correct one to suite your needs.* Plenty of good condition and affordable craft for sale these days... some real junkers too!* Soooo ya gotta be informed and careful during your choice of purchase.* Seeing as you appear not sure of what actual design/condition/price that boat may be I offer you my assistance to discuss alternatives and will be pleased to offer you tips and tricks as to what may lead you toward your best choice opportunity.* Therefore; if you would like to chat on this for some pointers... send me an IM and Ill IM you my phone #.* Boating is a kick if you chose the correct craft to utilize!* BUT boating can Kick-Your-Ass in more way than one, if you chose the wrong one!!* Best to know what youre doing, before you do it.* Be pleased to speak with you.* Good luck, Art
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After spending a few days reading through the forum I came upon a thread (can't remember title) wher the advice in a nut shell was stop waiting around and do it now. It hit close to home with me.

I've been waiting for the perfect opportunity and boat to come along and after reading that thread decided the perfect first boat will be the one that floats, we'll learn and make our mistakes on something very cheap and move on from there. I've had Boating skills and seamanship classes many years ago through the USCGA and plan on taking them again. I also plan on taking sailing lessons at a local sailing school. I do wish to be a safe and responsible boater.

I have been looking at Craigslist and was wondering if a list of boats in the California Bay and Delta region exists? I've tried Google with some varying levels of success and was wanting to make sure there was not an obvious site I was missing that is known by experienced boaters. I am on a very low starting budget and do not expect anything larger than what would fit on a trailer for a first boat, although if it is over 23 feet I would very much like to berth it in the Delta.

I thank you for any help you may provide.

~Craig
Hi Craig... Welcome to boating!
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I'm from*SF area.**After docking in San Rafael for Bay-Play and Pacific coast ventures outside the GG Bridge, we sold our Uniflite Sport Fisher Sedan and cruised our Tollycraft Tri Cabin into the Bay Delta.* For over two years now we've been docking under a covered berth in Stockton.* Plenty of cruising areas, islands*to visit, towns to visit, yacht harbors to review, restaurants to chow at, and warm clean*fresh water to swim in... good fishing too.* If you proceed in an orderly fashion to comprehensively research CL ads in SF, Stockton and Sacramento, as well as to call and/or visit boat yards and yacht harbors seeking a boat... you will eventually locate the correct one to suite your needs.* Plenty of good condition and affordable craft for sale these days... some real junkers too!* Soooo ya gotta be informed and careful during your choice of purchase.* Seeing as you appear not sure of what actual design/condition/price that boat may be I offer you my assistance to discuss alternatives and will be pleased to offer you tips and tricks as to what may lead you toward your best choice opportunity.* Therefore; if you would like to chat on this for some pointers... send me an IM and Ill IM you my phone #.* Boating is a kick if you chose the correct craft to utilize!* BUT boating can Kick-Your-Ass in more way than one, if you chose the wrong one!!* Best to know what youre doing, before you do it.* Be pleased to speak with you.* Good luck, Art
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*If you haven't gone to Yachtworld.com I'm recommend having a look there; it does allow you to focus by various criteria including geographic area.

Also agree with other posters that you don't want to start out with something unsuitable. That could easily put you (and any potential cruising partner(s)) off the lifestyle completely.
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Old 09-24-2011, 12:17 PM   #6
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"...list of boats in the California Bay and Delta ..."

You can narrow yours search area to California on yachtworld.com.
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Old 09-25-2011, 03:44 AM   #7
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"You can narrow yours search area to California on yachtworld.com."

The problem is yachtworld is a broker site , not an owners site to sell boats.

Brokers will almost never list "project " boats as it brings out dozens of "Lookie Lous" dreamers without a dime in their kitty.

Spending days or weeks to sell a $5000 "needs some work" bucket is not the way to feed the dog.

If you really want a stater boat GO to the local yards and talk to the manager.

HE will know what is for sale , but not advertised , and what is pure garbage.

Personally I think a "needs work" is a disaster for a new boater.

I would look for a REAL DEAL, an estate sale or similar, that was pampered by the past owner.

Best "deals" come from out of favor boats , while wood is cheapest it must be avoided, as a money pit.

Steel in most areas of the US is not well understood , and may be cheap.

Same with gasoline , many folks have totally irrational opinions on gas boats , so there can be really good buys!

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Excellent Excellent advice Fred. And it's great fun as well. I did a LOT of this kind of thing when I was a young man. Now we live in a bit of a new world and access to marinas and yards may be a problem. This is what you needed to know though.
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Great advice given above. Stay away from project boats unless you are absolutely certain of the extent of repairs needed and you are fully skilled, equipped and financed to make the repairs. Dreams turn into nightmares at $100 per hour marina repair rates and the cost of marine parts if they can be found for an outdated boat will keep you in drydock unless you have deep pockets. As mentioned above, the well cared for estate sale cream puff is what you are looking for.

For your first boat on a budget I highly recomend staying with a trailerable boat. Moorage fees can eat your lunch (and dinner too). The additional cost of fuel at a marina vs the local gas station, the bottom maintenance and the cost of replacing zincs (if in salt water) substantially increase the cost of boating also. You can go cruising in a trailerable boat and the ability to tow the boat gives you the option to move to different bodies of water. If you have a place to park the boat at home, trailer boating is the cheapest way to get into boating.



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Old 09-25-2011, 04:05 PM   #10
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I want to thank everyone for the great advice. I'd never thought of Yachtworld, the name alone kinda gave me thoughts of something far beyond my budget. The wife and I are planning on spending a few scattered Saturday afternoon's driving around and getting lost in the delta. Perhaps we may locate an adequate starter as some of you suggested. I would like to shy away from wood myself and try sticking perhaps to a more popular brand to make resale easier.
Our dream would be a smaller trawler, but it may be far more prudent to start with something along the lines of a 25ish foot Bayliner style. Never been a huge fan of the brand but they seem plentiful and if my logic is correct, easier to sell down the road.
Again I thank you for help providing me some sound advice.
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Old 09-25-2011, 06:02 PM   #11
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If you are looking fopr a cheap boat, ask yourself this question: Do I want to spend the next 2 years fixing a boat or do I want to spend the next 2 years sailing a boat. If you buy a fixer-upper the main lesson you will learn is that you will never do that again. The next lesson you will learn is that you just invested way more than the boat is worth.
Just saying that this is what happens to most people. Very few take a fixer-upper and follow it all the way through.
The only advise I can offer is don't buy a boat if you cant safely take it out the minute you own it. Cosmetic work is different. It can be expensive also, but in most cases it is usually more time than money.
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I would second the advice given about getting a sound vessel and enjoying cruising. A project boat as a first boat could be very discouraging. We started with an Albin 25, which has a great reputation because of its seaworthiness, economy and use of space. Cruised to some beautiful places in her. We like the idea of a trailerable trawler as speed was not our ticket. 7 knots was perfect for our first trawler. We have moved into a larger boat now, a Willard 30 and our Albin is in our yard about to be winterized and placed on the market in early spring. Email us if you'd like to see photos. Check out our blog from one of our triups to get an idea of what an Albin is like. http://princesslouisa2010.blogspot.com

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I agree that cosmetic fixing is about all I'm really interested in. If the boat is not mechanically operable I'll pass, and have on a few already. I find it shocking the way some misrepresent what they have.
Character flaw of mine, I deal fairly with people and am guilty of assuming others will extend the courtesy. I like the idea of driving to local marinas and yards and seeking under-utilized or estate sale situations.
I've looked at and passed on some wooden cabin cruisers that may well have been great purchases. The problem is with my lack of any experience with them, I really don't even know "what I don't know about them".
Ultimately I plan on enjoying the hunt and ultimately the purchase. Thanks again for the great advice.
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"Our dream would be a smaller trawler, but it may be far more prudent to start with something along the lines of a 25ish foot Bayliner style."

There is one in a Ct yard , that "drove in didn't it" for about $2000 on a trailer.

Come on over to CT, and drag it home.

Looked very hard at it , but the Bride said no more project boats.99% cosmetic , interior work.
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Hi Craig,

You might find it worthwhile to take a look at my book, which is intended for someone much like you if I understand correctly.* Here's a link - select Preview to review the first ~ 28 pages.

http://www.lulu.com/product/paperbac...ig-way/4653755
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"Our dream would be a smaller trawler, but it may be far more prudent to start with something along the lines of a 25ish foot Bayliner style."

There is one in a Ct yard , that "drove in didn't it" for about $2000 on a trailer.

Come on over to CT, and drag it home.

Looked very hard at it , but the Bride said no more project boats.99% cosmetic , interior work.
Please forgive my ignorance, but by "CT yard" are you referring to the state of**Connecticut? As much as it sounds the perfect candidate I'm afraid it may be a little far from my area. I'm located near the SF Bay Area in California.
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You might find it worthwhile to take a look at my book, which is intended for someone much like you if I understand correctly.* Here's a link - select Preview to review the first ~ 28 pages.

http://www.lulu.com/product/paperbac...ig-way/4653755
*Thank you for the preview. It may become an addition to my library soon. Right now I am trying to digest alot of great tips in a short span of time
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...it may be far more prudent to start with something along the lines of a 25ish foot Bayliner style. Never been a huge fan of the brand but they seem plentiful
*In addition to Bayliner--- who made some very nice boats, by the way--- a make with a much more substantial reputation is Tollycraft.* They are very popular and common in the PNW in sizes from 26' to 50' and over.* I don't know how popular they were farther south in SFO and the rest of California.*

But I know several people who got into "bigger" boat boating with a Tolly 26 and had a great time with them.* They are single-engine, gas-powered via an inboard and*V-drive.* The only thing I know about them in negative terms is to stay away from the very first models, the ones with a straight drive and the rudder mounted on the transom.* The rudder and its mount apparently*can be problematical.

The people I know who bought Tolly 26s paid from $16,000 to $20,000 or so although this was several years ago.

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Marin displays nice pict of 26 Tollycraft.* Im a bit partial to Tolly. *
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Visit http://www.tolly-classified.com/adindex1.html* Also, CL in Seattle and Portland OR usually has a bunch listed.* YachtWorld of course too.* Darn good boats dem Tolly!
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"I'm afraid it may be a little far from my area. I'm located near the SF Bay Area in California.


RT 66 to Chi, then its all paved to CT!

My point is there are tons of candidates in the under $3k to $5k market.

But they probably will need to be looked for , most brokers wont touch them.

Penny-saver ? WANTED! add?
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