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Old 09-07-2014, 02:54 PM   #1
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Juneau Alaska new CHB owner -- new heater!

Greetings from "the land of perpetual October," as my husband Jim affectionately calls our hometown.

We've just bought this summer a 1978 34' CHB, the Pavane. It has a truly ancient Espar heater that we have not even tried to fire up yet. We are exploring other heater options, especially heaters that will work at anchor far from shore power. Diesel, propane, solid fuel -- the options are many as are the opinions.

We have a wood stove at home that we use to supplement our diesel boiler. We have a lot of trees on our property that we will be gradually thinning out; hence a source of tailorable-sized wood. We also have a local source of wood pellets should we get lazy with the wood cutting. I am interested in the Sig Marine solid fuel heater for the Pavane. Does anyone have experience with this unit?

Thanks, and I appreciate the nice forum.

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Old 09-07-2014, 05:56 PM   #2
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No experience with boat heaters here in California but welcome to the forum Michelle.
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Old 09-07-2014, 06:33 PM   #3
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Michelle- Welcome from Ketchikan! Here is the real deal on replacement for your espar. We dumped ours last year and replaced it with the DT30 model of Wallas.

Wallas | Boat heaters | Easy and silent | Diesel heaters for boats | Paraffin heaters for boats

These fellows two brothers, are located on West Lake on Lake Union. They are the most helpful folks on your making your own installation. I am a clutz when it comes to technical application. Were you to choose this method you will find as near a drop in replacement as you can fine. The results are dead quite heat. Very efficient. little amp draw and fuel usage is nil as far as we can tell. We have used our unit on many days and don't even know it is on.

It may well use all the ducting you current have although we changed everything.

Yes, I installed myself with comfortable calling to the "Boys" who never barked at me for simple inquiry to what was or could have been a complex accomplishment for me. They made it easy. I recall that our unit cost about $2000 when said and done.

There is a cheaper similar unit to the Espar made in Russia that is advertised
for under $1000.00. However the two systems are totally different. The Espar is more like a running jet engine where the Wallas is similar to a Toyo stove or pot burner very quite.

Of the two the Wallas is of simpler design with only fan motors involved.

Give them a look see and hopefully the other Wallas user in Alaska from further up North will chime in. I recall he has three of these units in his 45-48 foot Bayliner

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Old 09-07-2014, 08:14 PM   #4
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Al,

Thanks much, good to hear the scoop from another cool, wet place. The Wallas looks very interesting and it is encouraging to hear that you were able to install it yourself.

We are shooting to run down to the West coast of Prince of Wales next spring -- used to be my old stomping grounds -- and we'd sure like to get the heater in by that time.

Maybe I can find someone in Juneau that has got one of these and I can check it out in person!

Thanks again,
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Old 09-07-2014, 08:39 PM   #5
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Welcome aboard!

Maybe Kevin Sanders will pipe in as he has a Bayliner 4788 and lives in Seward, Alaska.
He has Wallas heaters in his boat and seems happy with them.
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Old 09-07-2014, 09:12 PM   #6
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Yep- Kevin is the fellow in mind. Michelle- ask your local heating or marine dealers. There was a solicitation trip by these fellows to the local heating outlets and marine suppliers towards establishing sub-dealers. Ketchikan merchants passed on the opportunity.
I hope you find somebody local with on installed, there should be as good as they perform.
I recall that Kevin and others had a forum thread going last year early on as that was the disussion for our moving on the Wallas.
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Not that it matters...but I'm only a couple boats down from Sanders so that might qualify me to chime in...

I think the Wallas is a great little furnace. Not nearly as loud as the Espar. I'm also the dealer in Anchorage. You should look at the website at Scanmarineusa.com for more info. Your local dealers are

Willie’s Marine Sales and Service
2281 Industrial Blvd., Juneau, AK 99801
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Hope that helps you if you decide to choose Wallas. Good luck.
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Old 09-07-2014, 09:18 PM   #8
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AkFish- Great post and timely- Here is the thread on the subject:

http://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/s...heating-system

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strange, didn't come up- it serves as a clue should you wish to seek it out.
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Old 09-07-2014, 10:27 PM   #10
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We passed on the Wallas for some reason I can't recall.

We went Wabasto and I like it. The only drawback is that we clogged ours up at about 800hrs time. Wouldn't start. Needed to take it in for servicing and now we're going to run on kerosene as recommended by Sure Marine.

Need to reinstall the unit, get a fuel tank of about 2 gallons or so and find a place for same. That's kind of a problem.

We use the Wabasto while under way rather than the buss heater (Red Dot) because the thermostat maintains a constant temperature. Don't even realize it's on until we step out into the aft cockpit. The best heater is like the best waiter .... you don't even know they're there.

Pavane we just moved from Thorne Bay to NW WA. Dry Pass is great but avoid anchoring in Calder Bay. Bad black stinking mud. Large and only about 20' deep so looks perfect. I'd go there again only in a gale and Calder Bay is excellent for that. 10-1 scope if you want.

We were there for 8 years. Took many pics on our trip south titled "A Long Way Home" ... a thread still in the archives ... I think. We have a boating friend in Juneau .. Gordon Taylor. He has a Willard also.
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strange, didn't come up- it serves as a clue should you wish to seek it out.
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Searched it out and your link is missing its ending, thanks for the reminder........
Central heating systems?
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Old 09-08-2014, 02:01 AM   #12
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Well, welcome from another Alaskan.

I like the Wallas furnaces. I've had Several Eapars over the years and even had and sold the Toyotomi units when they were in production.

The thing about the Wallas furnaces is that they are quiet. Quiet enough that you cannot hear them. Anybody that has had a Eapar, or webasto, or other gunn type furnace knows at there is a noise factor to consider.

I also like the fact that the Wallas units are forced air. Some will say hydronic is the way to go but forced air offers something hydronic cannot, fresh air.

A forced air furnace, properly installed will mix the return air between cabin and outside air. This provides ventilation, reducing humidity and stagnant air, which is a issue in Alaska's damp climate.
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Old 09-08-2014, 10:23 PM   #13
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Thanks, Kevin, and all. Great input and the Wallas does sound like it might be perfect for us.

Thanks for the great responses,
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Old 09-08-2014, 10:51 PM   #14
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Michelle/Jim,

Be sure if you would, keep us posted on the choice and installation. Again, the installation is a snap on a 34 CHB. In addition they take little space and that space can be useful for any other use, I'd bet your current Espar location will be the choice.
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Pavane,
Wish I could remember the reason we rejected the Wallas. It is quieter by more than a tad to be sure but the Wabasto is plenty quiet enough for me. Outside the boat where our exhause exits the stern the noise could or would be annoying if you were in a marina and people near were in the stern of their boats ... and I don't think that would be the case w the Wallas. The Wallas is definitely more on the quiet side.

Things to consider are:
Thermostat control.
Fuel burn.
Installation.
Price
Electrical consumption

Re installation variables like heat distribution. Our Wabasto is located 10' fwd of aft (under the salon floor) and we have two forced air outlets. One on the floor of the aft end of the salon and one very low on the floor of the fore cabin below the fwd berths. Since we don't have a door on the head it heats the whole boat from both ends.
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We will be in Juneau during late afternoon of September 16.
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And Markpiece, when will you be in K-Town on this voyage?

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On the 15th during the morning.
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Forecast- 66 degrees, sunny "A very beautiful day" is the ACCURA weather forcast.

Welcome to another photographic day in Ketchikan, Catch as many interesting boat on camera as you are able.

I will wear a red carnation just in case.
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Although I'm in the lower 48, I have to put in a plug for the Wallas heaters. We researched all the options for our boat in both forced air and hydronic.

The Wallas 40DT is what we went with. The install was easy:
  • Determine the placement of the heater unit and install
  • Figure out the ducting routing
  • Drill holes, install ductwork
  • Tap the tank, install fuel line and filter
  • Install electrical wiring and control panel
  • test system

The fuel pump is integrated into the unit, so there's one less part to have to run power and plumbing to. With the dual air inlets (outside and inside) the air in the boat is constantly being exchanged, and the boat stays dry.

The biggest selling point was (and remains) Bruce and Doug, the brother who run Scan Marine. They will either install it for you or walk you thru an install- and they always have time for their customers.
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