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Old 10-03-2016, 09:41 AM   #21
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PS. I am in the camp with RT, buy your last boat first, too much money to be lost doing it the other way.
(I had a nicely worded post that my web filter ate because I took too long to post it!)

This question is one of the reasons which lead me to post here on TF.

I have at a minimum four to seven years before I am actually ready to begin my "Trawler Lifestyle" and pursue my Great Loop adventure. Until that time, I would like to explore the Chesapeake and its tributaries. I would however by restricted by the clock and my PTO schedule and would be looking at a boat that would travel at higher than "trawler speeds" in order to facilitate the work schedule and possible "weather windows".

These weekend and possible week long mini-adventures would require berthing for my wife and I as well as my youngest son (6'2). And possibly my eldest son while home from college breaks. I also want to gain the experience of handling and managing larger power boats as my Catalina 30 experience is now more than 20 years ago.

The Bayliner 32xx and 38xx seems to me like a good choice (until I read Pascoe's reviews as outlined in my above posts). I understand Bayliners are not built to Mercedes / Rolls type standards but I've never owned a Mercedes or Rolls. And I have heard that these were probably the best built Bayliners maybe ever. I currently own a Bayliner bowrider and understand its quirks and foibles, but I take care of it and have not been towed home (yet).

I would love to have a Grand Banks Europa now, but it's not currently in the budget (Two 529 college plans ARE!)

The above notions have all been generated inside my own head and could be complete garbage (stinkin' thinkin').

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If I buy my "last boat first" I may not have the range laid down by weekend warrior time constraints. Please expound.

A properly maintained Bayliner 32/38xx goes for around 30-40K (and up) and I can expect to sell it for about the same when the time comes. (If I maintain it and don't blow it up.) I did this with my Catalina 30. How does this impact the future of my actual trawler?
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Old 10-03-2016, 09:51 AM   #22
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A properly maintained Bayliner 32/38xx goes for around 30-40K (and up) and I can expect to sell it for about the same when the time comes. (If I maintain it and don't blow it up.)
I wouldn't put my money in that basket. The boat market changed dramatically in 2009 and demogrpahics suggest the flood will expand over the next few years (us old guys dying off) and is flooded with old boats at the bottom end.
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Mr. SVB. I concur with Mr. bp. ANY boat is NEVER an investment. Prices are set by the whims of the market. Bayliners have had a bad rep' over the years (undeserved IMO) exacerbated by idle dock chatter. Keep looking at the motor yacht option. Yes, they suck fuel when one has to get there fast but as has been reported in numerous threads on TF, they can return a surprisingly low fuel burn when operated at "trawler" speed.
Not wanting to intrude on your familial fisticuffs (son's) but your lads should be old enough to understand that this type of behavior will not be tolerated aboard.
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Old 12-06-2016, 09:55 AM   #24
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Been two months... time for an update. I was running headlong down the "interim boat" path. Kinda fell in love with the 360DAs and the 380DA (early 2000s). Looked at a couple and seriously considered a 380DA with twin CATs, but the numbers just didn't align, especially for an "interim boat". I also heard of the Sundancer cave syndrome (no windows) and an old post right here from Pineapple Girl who talked about going to brunch in a trawler vs an express cruiser "Hanging out as opposed to hanging on" switching to a trawler from a cruiser (see post #14).


Not to mention the "buy your last bout first" thingy...


So, maybe I might be "needing" a Fast Trawler. What are fast trawlers? Semi-displacement? (I know that semi-displacement is kinda of a marketing thing.) I still feel the need of going more than 7 knots upon occasion (18ish?), but the boat needs to handle well at trawler speeds, which is where I would be operating most of the time.
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Old 12-06-2016, 01:16 PM   #25
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Can't have it both ways. Can't have a truck that drives like a car. Or a sailboat that runs like a powerboat. Or a SD that handles like a FD. If you want to go faster (and you state that) you'll need a much lighter boat or the boat will be Limited to SD speeds and doggish handling. Many (perhaps even most) boats here are planing hulls (or nearly so) w a big keel and plenty of extra weight.

A boat that you should look at for ideas is the SeaDory. Not a trawler at all but very good looking and slightly trawler like in it's appearance w an extremely good wide speed range. The hull is part of it but most of the reason they have such a wide speed range is because they are light and flat on the bottom. The GB has a wonderful SD hull that would have a wide speed range too but they are way to heavy to go much over FD speed.

So mostly you will be looking for a light boat. And the lighter you get the more un-trawler it will be as the frequently excessive weight of the trawler is by far the the feature of the type that most identifies it as trawler. Boats like the Camano and the Ranger look a bit like a trawler but are not .. they are light and fast. So if you want speed the Camano is a really good boat from what I've heard and from what the hull looks like. But it won't handle like a true SD boat because it isn't. And I think the Ranger is even more so but w/o the semi-box keel the Camano has it probably won't handle like you'd expect a trawler to handle. But boats like these are what you'll need to satisfy your need for speed.

Everybody wants it all but you just can't have it. Motorsailers (50/50) won't be good powerboats nor good sailboats. But some (like the McGreggor 26) do much better at it than most. So look for a light boat that does better at trawler than most. And I'm talking about handling and seaworthyness .. not how trawler or cute it looks but as much a trawler you can get at the weight you'll need for the speed. The more I think of it the better the Camano looks and is as far as I know.

BTW "semi-displacement" is a real deal. A hull type that shines better than others at SD speeds. You mention 18knots. Unless it's a quite large boat 18 knots (think of it as over 20mph) will be a planing hull/boat. So it sounds like you're looking for a very fast SD or (depending on length) a planing boat. Also good wide speed range boat are typically longer and narrower than most.
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So, maybe I might be "needing" a Fast Trawler. What are fast trawlers? Semi-displacement? (I know that semi-displacement is kinda of a marketing thing.) I still feel the need of going more than 7 knots upon occasion (18ish?), but the boat needs to handle well at trawler speeds, which is where I would be operating most of the time.
We're part of the need to go faster group, but we never feel the need for 7 knots unless there's a speed limit. Semi-displacement is an acceptable term. You're going to have to figure out the right compromise for you. You have compared express cruisers to trawlers, but there's a lot in between. For instance, lots of express from Sea Ray but sedans and other designs from Carver and Meridian and others that might be better for a picnic than an express. Mainship, Bayliner, and Beneteau have fit in the middle for many people.
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