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Old 05-04-2013, 10:54 PM   #41
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Welcome to TF hconnell. What orientation are your bridge windows? lol
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Old 05-04-2013, 11:00 PM   #42
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From some angles, the Coot's wannabe windows aren't readily apparent. Best to orient one's boat either directly away or toward Marin.

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Old 05-05-2013, 12:10 AM   #43
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From some angles, the Coot's wannabe windows aren't readily apparent. Best to orient one's boat either directly away or toward Marin.

"Away" is what you want because that will mean the boat in question is leaving.
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I had no idea that orientation of bridge windows inspired such passionate feelings! I can't wait to see what happens when we talk about things like engine brands or hull designs, or the really important stuff like hull colors, and maybe even <gasp!> 2 strand vs 3 strand dock lines!
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Old 05-05-2013, 01:41 AM   #45
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Hey Nick, on the Cruiser's Forum a hot topic is anchors. And of course the mono vs multi debates also go strong.
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Old 05-05-2013, 01:53 AM   #46
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Endurance--to keep the passion going: "What kind of anchor do you have?"
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Old 05-05-2013, 02:07 AM   #47
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Originally Posted by Endurance;154265... I can't wait to see what happens when we talk about things like engine brands or hull designs, or the really important stuff like [B
hull colors[/B], ...
Dark hulls rule! Better to see in the fog. Else wise, beautiful. Besides, dark hulls are typical of "working boats" while white hulls are generally the rule for cruise ships (except Holland America's). Can't understand the under-current of disdain for cruise ships when the majority of recreational cruisers look like them!

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Old 05-05-2013, 02:12 AM   #48
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"Away" is what you want because that will mean the boat in question is leaving.
So, you fear my armored hull?!
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So, you fear my armored hull?!
Nope. Just always glad to see another boat departing the area.
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Old 05-05-2013, 03:18 AM   #50
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I had no idea that orientation of bridge windows inspired such passionate feelings!
Some people like them, some don't from an aesthetic standpoint. I understand the benefits of their design on things like rescue boats and open ocean boats like commercial crabbers and where they can be dealing with really nasty conditions. But on a recreational coastal cruiser I think all they accomplish is to ruin the lines of the boat.

This is one reason I totally prefer the NT to the AT. The NT looks the way I think a tug-style should look. As does a Victory Tug. I feel the same way about the Selene--- pretty nice looking boat until they ruined its entire appearance, in my opinion, by using wannabe windows on it.

Every recreational production boat I've seen with wannabe windows has a clown-like, popeyed appearance which to me totally overpowers whatever good design aesthetics the rest of the boat might have.

Healhustler from time to time has done his Photoshop/Illustrator magic to remove the wannabe windows from a particular production recreational cruiser that has them and replaced them with vertical or conventionally-raked forward windows. In every instance where he's done this, I've felt the aesthetics of the boat was vastly improved.

It's not that bif of a deal with regards to the operation of a boat. Its handling, windage, speed, efficiency or lack thereof, maneuverability, and maintainability are not affected by which way the forward windows happen to slant. It is totally an aesthetic thing, and to someone like me who places a high value on aesthetics, be it a car, boat or toaster, reverse-slant pilothouse windows don't have any.

Subjects like anchors, engines, rope types, etc. actually matter in the operation of a cruising boat. Windows don't. But they can contribute a lot toward whether or not a particular boat looks good to us or not, and this in turn can have an influence on whether or not we would buy a particular boat. My wife and I, for example, would never buy a boat with wannabe windows regardless of the boat's other attributes simply because we don't want to own a boat that looks like that. Other people think they look great.
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Guys, Marin just loves yanking chains, and people with boats with forward slanting windows always bite so hard he can't resist.
Actually, I quite like them on the right boat. I agree they don't suit a fast vessel, even though they probably don't contribute much wind resistance in reality, (not at boat planing speeds which at the size we are talking about = a max of ~ 30 kn), but they look as if they would. But for a hull speed or slower semi-planer they are fine in my eyes, whereas vertical windows to me personally look rather 'olde worlde'. Sort of like the little tug that could.
Healhustler even has a photoshop version of what my Clipper would look like with them, and I could live with it for sure....Healhustler...I seem to have lost it, do you still have it saved...?
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There's nothing uglier than bigotry against slanting windows (in either direction... slants go both ways, and then who is the real wannabe?). Let's not get started on the proper placement and rules for flying ensigns, pennants, and burgees... blood would be shed and lives certainly lost.

I try to live by simple rules. Blondes, brunettes, redheads... all good. Politicians.... all bad.
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Healhustler even has a photoshop version of what my Clipper would look like with them, and I could live with it for sure....Healhustler...I seem to have lost it, do you still have it saved...?
I dunno, but if you send me the photo I used for the demo, I'll see if I can find it in the archives. Still, in defense of all those who love forward raked winshields, I submit the following example to those who don't, and dare them to say it doesn't entirely enhance the boats sleek lines and unobtrusive flow. (Not photoshoped, by the way).
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Could you imagine that boat with anything but a forward-raked windshield?
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Forward-raked windows significantly increases interior volume.

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Forward-raked windows significantly increases interior volume.

No, they don't increase the interior volumn of anything. What they do is change your working, or, instrument space. If you need to hang instruments, they're great. But, on most boats, if you need working space for charts, laptops, etc. they're a major detriment.

Personally, I'm a big fan of forward raked windows, but there is a trade off with either setup.
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No, they don't increase the interior volumn of anything. What they do is change your working, or, instrument space. If you need to hang instruments, they're great. But, on most boats, if you need working space for charts, laptops, etc. they're a major detriment..
One doesn't need working space beyond arms' reach, and it is definitely less claustrophobic with forward-slant windows.

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One doesn't need working space beyond arms' reach, and it is definitely less claustrophobic with forward-slant windows.
Hmmm.... First photo doesn't look very claustrophobic to me. Second photo does, though.

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Hmmm.... First photo doesn't look very claustrophobic to me. Second photo does, though.
... Marin, your GB has larger windows and skinny frames.
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... Marin, your GB has larger windows and skinny frames.
Who will take the girl with the skinny legs?
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