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Old 02-05-2016, 12:37 PM   #21
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Just a little more info if your interested. Only 20% of people who get infected have any symptoms whatsoever. When they do its a mild fever, rash, joint aches (mostly in hands) and inflammation in the whites of the eyes (conjunctivitis). Lasts a short time. Once your infected your immune from re-infection. Interestingly there have been a few cases of Guillain-Barre reported, but it's quite rare. Nobody knows of any direct link, however.
Guillan-Barre is so rare its hard to get good epidemiology but it seems to be associated with viral infections (a common etiology of other AI diseases as well) so I wouldn't worry much about it much in the context of Zika virus - you are far more likely to get GBS as a consequence of another more common viral illness.
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Old 02-05-2016, 12:47 PM   #22
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Our idiot governor is just trying to make it look like he cares about Floridians and get some good news coverage while Zika is still in the news cycle.

I predict this will go the way of the last "oh no the sky is falling" epidemic of the measles that started in Disneyland in 2014. The media loves these stories because it raises fear of something that could potentially effect everyone, while in fact effects very few. In the first half of 2014 when this "epidemic" occurred there were no cases of encephalitis and no deaths reported, but it was in the news nightly.

For the people that are effected, my heart goes out to them, but in the end this will be a windfall for Big Pharma as they rush a miracle vaccine to market with the media driving demand like the minions they are.





Your common sense precautions will most probably keep you all safe and healthy, what is extremely difficult to cure is stupidity, as in "lets go see where that Zika outbreak is happening"
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How many movie scripts do you think are getting pitched right now where the zika virus swaps out some DNA to a common cold virus, and the plot line explores human de-evolution or a modified zombie apocalypse?
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Guillan-Barre is so rare its hard to get good epidemiology but it seems to be associated with viral infections (a common etiology of other AI diseases as well) so I wouldn't worry much about it much in the context of Zika virus - you are far more likely to get GBS as a consequence of another more common viral illness.
This is correct. Although there are a few cases of GBS that have been associated with Zika virus there is nothing known about cause and affect. I would forget GBS. It's just not an issue to be concerned with.
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How many movie scripts do you think are getting pitched right now where the zika virus swaps out some DNA to a common cold virus, and the plot line explores human de-evolution or a modified zombie apocalypse?
It's interesting how many doomsdayers are already dominating the social media circles along with the conspiracy theorists who think we generated Zika in the lab to kill off people and control the population.
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How many movie scripts do you think are getting pitched right now where the zika virus swaps out some DNA to a common cold virus, and the plot line explores human de-evolution or a modified zombie apocalypse?
Seems more plausible than the hysteria associated with anthropomorphic climate change being the end all.

I'm still pulling for coronal mass ejection.
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Let's not stirr up something we know nothing about. .
I beg forgiveness for regurgitating what the Brazilian Health Dept is saying.
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My Filipino friends get very anxious at the sound or sight of a mosquito. Looks like we should respond with similar caution.
I had an adverse medication reaction mimicking Guillain Barre onset. Nasty, it`s not a risk to take lightly.
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My Filipino friends get very anxious at the sound or sight of a mosquito. Looks like we should respond with similar caution.
I had an adverse medication reaction mimicking Guillain Barre onset. Nasty, it`s not a risk to take lightly.
In the past couple of years there have been a few West Nile deaths in Texas.
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I beg forgiveness for regurgitating what the Brazilian Health Dept is saying.
I would be happy to refer you to the very latest up to date literature on what is known and what is not known about this virus and its affects on humans if you would like.
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I would be happy to refer you to the very latest up to date literature on what is known and what is not known about this virus and its affects on humans if you would like.
I'm sure you would. Yes, I know that Zika has in one form or another been around and identified for close to a century. I also know that thousands of workers died from mosquito born disease during the construction of the Panama Canal. The best and brightest doctors of the time claimed malaria was not common in Latin America.

Capt, unless you have creds in infectious disease from the Amazon Basin or West Africa, I'll get my very limited knowledge from those that do. No disrepect intended, I'm just a guy with a history from being in these places.

My interest though is not in hearing no problem from the CDC, it is the boots on the ground Brazilian Institute of Health data that found in the one Northern area microcephalic cases rose 20 fold from about 150 in 2014 to over 3000 in 2015.

Just two days ago I was chatting with a fellow from Southern Brazil who said that the situation is deteriorating quickly with the government having identified bodily fluids spread as a co culprit to the mosquito. Given our government's current penchant for letting the world's downtrodden freely enter the US, the situation IF as dire as some verifiable EXPERTS claim is worthy of more than perusing medical studies from the last century or the Brazilian tourist industry literature.
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I'm sure you would. Yes, I know that Zika has in one form or another been around and identified for close to a century. I also know that thousands of workers died from mosquito born disease during the construction of the Panama Canal. The best and brightest doctors of the time claimed malaria was not common in Latin America.

Capt, unless you have creds in infectious disease from the Amazon Basin or West Africa, I'll get my very limited knowledge from those that do. No disrepect intended, I'm just a guy with a history from being in these places.

My interest though is not in hearing no problem from the CDC, it is the boots on the ground Brazilian Institute of Health data that found in the one Northern area microcephalic cases rose 20 fold from about 150 in 2014 to over 3000 in 2015.

Just two days ago I was chatting with a fellow from Southern Brazil who said that the situation is deteriorating quickly with the government having identified bodily fluids spread as a co culprit to the mosquito. Given our government's current penchant for letting the world's downtrodden freely enter the US, the situation IF as dire as some verifiable EXPERTS claim is worthy of more than perusing medical studies from the last century or the Brazilian tourist industry literature.
Sorry Sunchaser. Didn't mean to discount your personal sources. I'm just a physician who regularly deals with infectious disease, who also has a graduate degree in microbial genetics and used viruses regularly in my graduate research and have my finger in 5 seconds on the entire world literature in medicine. But hey, what do I know?
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I'm just a physician who regularly deals with infectious disease, who also has a graduate degree in microbial genetics and used viruses regularly in my graduate research and have my finger in 5 seconds on the entire world literature in medicine. But hey, what do I know?
I'm sure very little and that's not a criticism. Medical science is still probably in it's infancy. For everything we know about the human body, there are a hundred things we don't know. For every disease we have a cure for (which is very few) there are a hundred we don't. For everything we know the cause of there are a hundred conditions we don't. Today's world literature in medicine will be revised tomorrow. As to all the thousands of viruses, what we know could be kept in a thimble.

I'm not in any way putting down your profession or research. It's necessary and we learn something new every day. We figure out treatments every day, but then something else pops up. When it comes to viruses like this one I would call the expertise in the subject mostly just educated opinions, but not absolute scientific proof. I do caution anytime scientists think they've solved secrets, that science was long convinced the earth was flat.

Then that's what makes medical research exciting to some, to know there are an infinite number of things to study and learn.

Not that many years ago we didn't treat viruses. Now we've learned the dangers but we also now have antiviral drugs for some of them. We know so much, but compared to what we don't know, we know so little. I think I'm being generous in saying we've learned about 10% of what there is to learn. I'm very thankful for that, but I also accept that even some of the things we think we know, we'll turn out wrong on. Now, I do look toward those in the field and toward research and medical literature for my answers as you suggest and don't take the word on the street. Even then though I put them in context and say, "The current medical consensus is...."
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I'm sure very little and that's not a criticism. Medical science is still probably in it's infancy. For everything we know about the human body, there are a hundred things we don't know. For every disease we have a cure for (which is very few) there are a hundred we don't. For everything we know the cause of there are a hundred conditions we don't. Today's world literature in medicine will be revised tomorrow. As to all the thousands of viruses, what we know could be kept in a thimble.

I'm not in any way putting down your profession or research. It's necessary and we learn something new every day. We figure out treatments every day, but then something else pops up. When it comes to viruses like this one I would call the expertise in the subject mostly just educated opinions, but not absolute scientific proof. I do caution anytime scientists think they've solved secrets, that science was long convinced the earth was flat.

Then that's what makes medical research exciting to some, to know there are an infinite number of things to study and learn.

Not that many years ago we didn't treat viruses. Now we've learned the dangers but we also now have antiviral drugs for some of them. We know so much, but compared to what we don't know, we know so little. I think I'm being generous in saying we've learned about 10% of what there is to learn. I'm very thankful for that, but I also accept that even some of the things we think we know, we'll turn out wrong on. Now, I do look toward those in the field and toward research and medical literature for my answers as you suggest and don't take the word on the street. Even then though I put them in context and say, "The current medical consensus is...."
I think your 10% idea is probably very generous. We know a huge amount. What we don't know is far greater. No doubt about that. What we are learning is expanding exponentially every year. I'm guessing that everything the Brazil Department of Infectious Disease knows, if they even have sush a department, came from what we (I mean the US Centers For Disease Control) has studied abroad in the Americas south of here. Zika has been studied very little because it has not previously been much of a problem. Always important to be open to learning new things and question what we have learned in the past.
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Sorry Sunchaser. Didn't mean to discount your personal sources. I'm just a physician who regularly deals with infectious disease, who also has a graduate degree in microbial genetics and used viruses regularly in my graduate research and have my finger in 5 seconds on the entire world literature in medicine. But hey, what do I know?
With your medical background working and living in Brazil and West Africa you obviously know a lot that the stay at home medical professionals in the PNW know little about. Did your travels per chance allow you to study up on Jonas Salk doubters from the 50s or Rubella parents and victims from the 60s? Or Aids contracted from those pesky monkeys? But I am sure you are right and all will be well in Oregon whose residents may possibly suffer from the simple things like Rocky Mtn Spotted fever or Lyme disease.

It is interesting to note that no more than 2 weeks ago the Zika headline news from CDC said use mosquito repellent. Now they say if around anyone with recent travels to "offshore" use condoms and abstain from sex if you are a female and are or will be pregnant. Good luck with that.

Or as my friend the doctor heading up Obama Care PR work in Seattle says, the government can do much better at containing medical costs than private practice physicians. No wonder there are a few of us skeptics out there Doctor.
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It is interesting to note that no more than 2 weeks ago the Zika headline news from CDC said use mosquito repellent. Now they say if around anyone with recent travels to "offshore" use condoms and abstain from sex if you are a female and are or will be pregnant. Good luck with that.
And now from Colombia, the government reports more than 3100 pregnant women there have the virus. 25,000 people in total there have the virus and they estimate it will reach 600,000. Oh and although cause and effect haven't been established, they have a 66% increase in cases of Guillian Barre.

I understand why the site team moved this to off topic, but I think it's a real boating issue and perhaps should be moved back. While the topic today is Zika, it's also health issues and warnings that do arise anywhere we might go.
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Unfortunately there is limited knowledge about Zika and its effects on humans. It has not been on the heavy hitters list until now. Many of the comments here contribute to the kind of hysteria that often accompanies an unknown illness. It comes from fear. I get that. Best way to combat that is to study and develop the knowledge required to control. Best I can tell so far with what limited literature (I mean beyond the arm chair quarterbacking and hysteria) I have read, it does not appear to be a complicated virus and I would guess the development of a vaccine will be straight forward.
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it does not appear to be a complicated virus and I would guess the development of a vaccine will be straight forward.
Back in the fifties I received many immunizations that are not common or necessary today. One of them, for polio, was developed in South Africa by warp speed standards not possible today due to 21st century "constraints." How long would development of a Zika vaccine take, starting from today, to get to the market?

I have heard from good sources, years, if done by existing US Protocols and Standards. Hopefully it is much quicker than the still awaited malaria vaccine.
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