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Old 01-28-2018, 11:16 AM   #1
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Would you buy one of these?

I was reading an article in the paper this morning about driverless cars being available for purchase in about 5 years. That got me to thinking if I would buy one.

I decided I probably wouldn't because I don't really see a need for one. I enjoy driving. Being retired, we take a lot of day trips around the Phoenix area to explore places and events and I don't mind driving. Even on longer trips I find it relaxing. Driving that is, not being stuck in bumper to bumper traffic in a miles long traffic jam.

That got me to wondering how many people I know would likely buy one and I don't think may would.

So, what say you? Would you be likely to buy a driverless car?
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Old 01-28-2018, 11:37 AM   #2
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Old 01-28-2018, 11:54 AM   #3
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It will start with long commuters. Let the car drive while you surf the net. Then the old will buy in they have money and they canít see or react. Then the young will buy because the wonít need to learn to drive. Finally you will be forced to buy a driverless car because insurance wonít be available for driving. Canít give you a time line but I doubt you will be driving 20 years from now.
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Where the weather is nice absolutely. But perhaps a bit longer in heavy snow country.
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Both of my parents had to stop driving as they aged. A good friend recently took the car keys from his 94 year old mother. Luckily her 92 year old boy friend is still a pretty good driver.

A time will come when each of us shouldnít drive anymore. Iím hoping these self driving cars will allow me the freedom of travel I have now.

In the mean time, the additional cameras and sensors being put on cars now will prevent many accidents. Iíll take all the help I can get.

I watched my buddy back up to a trailer with the help of a backup camera the other day. Following is a picture of his first try.
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Driverless cars will change the way we transport ourselves. I expect that very few will be individually owned. They will be run as taxis and will cost less to hire than driving your own car.
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Probably not, atleast not right away. In the beginning, like most things, they will likely be quite expensive. My days of being an early adopter are over. I'll wait for the price to drop and for them to work the bugs out. Seems like most of the problems could be overcome, I just don't want to be the person who first experiences them.

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I was reading an article in the paper this morning about driverless cars being available for purchase in about 5 years. That got me to thinking if I would buy one.

I decided I probably wouldn't because I don't really see a need for one. I enjoy driving. Being retired, we take a lot of day trips around the Phoenix area to explore places and events and I don't mind driving. Even on longer trips I find it relaxing. Driving that is, not being stuck in bumper to bumper traffic in a miles long traffic jam.

That got me to wondering how many people I know would likely buy one and I don't think may would.

So, what say you? Would you be likely to buy a driverless car?
A lot of people are going to say what they won't do in the future, myself included. However, we will. I can't say when. The next car I buy will have an autopilot. I don't have a need for it, don't want it, but it will come on it as standard equipment. I don't know if or when I'll use it.
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I thought the point wasnít to own one but rather to summon one from my phone or Alexa.
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Wifey B: Tesla Roadster will have it when it arrives so yes. That's still 2 years away or more though.

Tesla 3 owners upset theirs don't have it standard as they thought all Tesla's did, but 3's are just set up for it as an option.
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I think the time-frame is a lot further out than people are predicting.

There was just -- yet another, that's right, they're more common than you realize -- crash of a Tesla in auto-driving mode the other day. Tesla's response was, in essence, "We put in the disclaimer that the car requires a driver who is fully attentive, and this driver wasn't." Yeah. Sure. Give me a break! You build a device that you KNOW is going to encourage people to NOT be attentive, and then try to weasel out of lawsuits by claiming that you told them they had to be attentive. There are going to be some spectacular lawsuits in the very near future, and I suspect that is going to slow down the advance of driverless cars dramatically.

Then, too, I read a while ago that a test was done where street signs were deliberately vandalized -- like changing a "speed limit 35" into a "speed limit 65" -- and in 100% of the cases all current auto-driving cars were fooled. 100% of the cases! They are definitely going to have to get that sort of thing sussed out before these can become broadly used. Because you just KNOW that there are creeps out there who will think it is funny to vandalize signs and watch the driverless cars do crazy, dangerous things.

Would I buy one? That will depend on a lot of different variables, at the time that they become reliable and widely available.

Main point, though, is that people are saying it is right around the corner, and I just don't believe that.
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I'm not sure I'd ever buy one. When I see the accidents involving driverless cars it's almost always the fault of the other vehicle, but I can't help but wonder if human eyes might have seen the accident developing earlier and might have avoided the accident.

Another concern, if the AI software misses something and you are hit and injured or killed by a driverless vehicle, what insurance company picks up the tab for your injuries--yours, the insurance company of the driverless car manufacturer, the other owner's insurance?

Going to be some interesting questions for the courts to figure out.
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Another concern, if the AI software misses something and you are hit and injured or killed by a driverless vehicle, what insurance company picks up the tab for your injuries--yours, the insurance company of the driverless car manufacturer, the other owner's insurance?

Going to be some interesting questions for the courts to figure out.
Yup. Did you take the MIT questionnaire in my previous link?

To me, it clarifies the ethical problem with self driving cars.

The reality is that they cars will require to be integrated as part of a transportation system, and not autonomous.

I believe that everyone is currently working on autonomy so they can be the one to propose the standard to a regulating body for the system.

Betamax vs. VHS.

Hopefully the standard works better than, say, NMEA 2000.
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I think the time-frame is a lot further out than people are predicting.

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With Tesla there are two degrees of activity. Autopilot, or now Enhanced Autopilot, is here and in cars today. Full self driving is additional to that and ultimately will be limited by regulatory approval. Enhanced autopilot uses 4 cameras, full self driving uses 8.

I believe the software and systems for full self driving will be available very soon as they're being refined constantly. How far it will go and what safety features are necessary to be sure an operator is present and alert, is a much bigger issue. We have a "2020?" roadster on order but no bets on when it will be here or what technology.
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Greetings,
Mr. GFC. I think Mr. NS. has hit upon the crux of the potential inherent problems associated with a purely autonomous system. Until such time that enough of the continent is interconnected to allow movement, not just within cities, but between cities in a safe seamless fashion, summoning your ride and sitting back and relaxing isn't going to happen.

As mentioned, legalities will be a nightmare to figure out.

Hopefully the bugs will be worked out before our chauffeur, Elvis, retires...



Edit: Just found this: https://www.popsci.com/self-driving-car-scale
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I see some wonderful potentials for auto-driving cars. Decreases in DWI, mobility for disabled (whether that means elderly, site-impaired or those whom handicapped accessible controls are not suitable). Longer drive times without the need to stop for sleep. Or reductions in 'drowsy driving accidents. Imagine someone being able to get to a doctors visit without requiring a friend or family member.

No, I probably won't get one anytime soon. However, I can certainly see a lot of benefits.
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I forgot the biggest benefit in my mind. The faster the travel speed the greater the amount of 'white space'. That is to say, the more space needed between any two cars travelling down the same road in the same direction.

self-driving cars could have the potential to have many cars travelling inches from each other at very high speeds. Rather than continually widening and building infrastructure to accomodate volume, allow more 'bandwidth' (significantly greater volume over time over the same sized road).
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After 40 years in IT I would never let a computer drive my car.

Most companies outsource their coding to the lower bidder.

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