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Old 06-21-2013, 08:03 AM   #21
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...The point made re rag merchants forcing right of way is a good point...
Agree with everything Bill said, but for the record sailboats do NOT have "right of way" and are in violation of the rules if they choose to tack into your path unexpectedly.

In a meeting or crossing situation, two boats, one power and one sail, not in a narrow channel, neither one constrained by draft, restricted in ability to maneuver, or commercial fishing, the powerboat must "give way" to the sailboat. The sailboat, however, does not have right of way. She is OBLIGATED under the rules to maintain course and speed.

Obviously power boaters should understand that sailors need to work with the wind, and show a little courtesy.

But under no circumstances can a sailboat "force right of way." We will all get along better out there if we could get this point through to the untrained in both camps, sail and power.
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Old 06-21-2013, 08:20 AM   #22
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Can't we all just get along?
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Old 06-21-2013, 08:47 AM   #23
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Nice boat. Wouldn't you still be a sailor, Mark?, even if the sails only go up once a year.

I cop it from both sides. Some sailors don't think I have a "real" sail boat, and some power boaters scoff at the "rags" I carry on board.
All in fun though. 99% of boaters around here appreciate any boat/boater that gets out on the water.
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Old 06-21-2013, 10:30 AM   #24
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On the Great Lakes "school teacher" would encompass the majority of sailboaters. Add descriptors as appropriate.
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Old 06-21-2013, 11:02 AM   #25
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Coot! (jk)

Personally to me, it's not the method of propulsion, but the professionalism and courtesy extended to your bretheren sharing the waterways. We're all in the same waters...like sharing the road with diesel trucks, electric cars and motorcycles.

A sailboat who insists on tacking across my bow during my attempt to pass in a civil manner, a Sea Ray (or equivalent large planing powerboat) who insists on passing at warp speed throwing a huge wake just 50 ft to port when there's all kinds of room or the go fast who races toward my transom at 70+ mph before cutting to the side at the last second to pass...I have choice names for all of 'em under my breath, but none that I'll post here.
Al, Al, spit it out. You can't continue keeping all that pent up anger inside. We're here to help.



Keep the needle in the low range for best results. Take me for example. Don't worry. Be Happy.

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Old 06-21-2013, 11:55 AM   #26
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Whilst sea kayaking the coast of BC, we conservatively estimate the number of sailboats actually sailing, and not motoring, at about 5%. (These were boats actually going somewhere, not farting around near the marina for the afternoon). This renders moot any derogatory remarks from sailboaters towards motor boaters regarding motors in boats.
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Old 06-21-2013, 12:11 PM   #27
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I like boats - sail, power and even row boats.

I’ve owned a lot more sailboats than powerboats.

Today I own the little DeFever 40 which I keep at my dock at my house. If we want to go cruising, say to the Chesapeake, which we plan on doing this fall, we take the DeFever.

If I just want to spend a day on the water having fun, we drive a hour and a half to the marina where I keep my dry stored J22 sailboat.

Having said that though, in the 10,000 cruising miles I’ve spent on the DeFever I’ve noticed some real differences in how cruising sailors and cruising power boaters operate. As stated above 95% of the sailboats are motoring.

A lot of cruising sailors could benefit from paying more attention to the world around them and maintaining situational awareness.

Hey sailor, you want a slow pass? Turn on your radio, jerk!

So I guess you could say I sometimes call them “jerks” Most often it's a friendly wave.

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Old 06-21-2013, 01:59 PM   #28
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I just call them sail boats.

Just don't try to hail them. I don't think I have ever had a sail boat respond.

Most don't seem have a radio in the cockpit.

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Old 06-21-2013, 03:58 PM   #29
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Sailors are just shiftless sort of folks - says this old hot ass racing sailor!
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Old 06-21-2013, 04:32 PM   #30
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Al, Al, spit it out. You can't continue keeping all that pent up anger inside. We're here to help.



Keep the needle in the low range for best results. Take me for example. Don't worry. Be Happy.


LOL!! Thanks for listening, Moomman! If I need to get more off my chest, I'll call you late some night. BTW, I like your meter...

...and I love that picture of you in the chair, Don. Thanks for resurrecting that old relic from the past. What's really in that Dr. Pepper can?
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Old 06-21-2013, 05:00 PM   #31
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Came ashore. Checked TF. Time for all you guys to get back out on your boats, sail or power. Behave and enjoy. Bye. Heading back out.
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Old 06-21-2013, 05:32 PM   #32
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LOL!! What's really in that Dr. Pepper can?

Well, there is a lot of stuff in it. Lou calls it a scumbag smash.
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Old 06-21-2013, 06:28 PM   #33
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Don-where do I get one of those cool gauges? Does Defender carry them? I really need one on my helm! Even better would be a portable I can carry around and display as needed.
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Old 06-21-2013, 07:30 PM   #35
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Don-where do I get one of those cool gauges? Does Defender carry them? I really need one on my helm! Even better would be a portable I can carry around and display as needed.
Mine came with a prescription from my psychiatrist I have to take the medicine until the meter falls into the safe zone.
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Old 06-21-2013, 07:52 PM   #36
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Came ashore. Checked TF. Time for all you guys to get back out on your boats, sail or power. Behave and enjoy. Bye. Heading back out.
No worries, David. We boat year round here...no need to packing it all in at once!
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Old 06-21-2013, 08:03 PM   #37
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Came ashore. Checked TF. Time for all you guys to get back out on your boats, sail or power. Behave and enjoy. Bye. Heading back out.
HA! Already there. Been aboard over 24 hours and don't plan to come ashore until absolutely necessary.

Anyway, our observations match the above; once you leave the immediate area of a harbor, 95% of cruising sailboats are motoring. Even when the wind is favorable.

So... most often when we see a sail boat, we call it a "power boat with a stick."
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Old 06-24-2013, 11:30 PM   #38
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The sail boat term to end all terms:

AMISH BOATERS!!!!

THE END!!!!

And, you're welcome!!!
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And I agree. If you are in a slow boat regardless of propulsion and you do not slow down to minimum steerage when you see a planing boat come off of plane to pass....then you deserve to be waked. To this day, the vast majority of slow boats do not understand this and continue to be frustrated when they get waked.

Lets see....you are going 7 knots and just how fast do you think the overtaking boat needs to go to pass you sometime this week???? An 8 knot pass will take 15 friggin minutes and you will still get a wake. Slow to 3...let him do 7. In two minutes this will all be over and everyone will be happy!!!!!
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Tell me about it! Last time out (Friday), two high-speed, 35'-to-40'-something-long cruisers came up behind in Mare Island Strait, not far from the marina I was headed toward. I was going six knots, and they something twice that. When the first one passed, I changed course forty degrees into his wake, then straightened out. (From past experience, slowing down without communication doesn't result in the other boat's change in speed.) The following cruiser reduced speed, following close behind. Sensing his need to "go," I turned 30 degrees to one side so the fellow could proceed without my hindrance. Neither initiated radio contact even though my boat's name was "in their face."
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