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Old 12-05-2018, 03:10 PM   #21
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We always called that a walk-out basement.

I worked in a building where they called the first (ground) floor the basement. Apparently the owners found it worthwhile to push a bunch of dirt up against one side of the first floor so they could call it a basement. That made a 3-story building into a 2-story for zoning and insurance purposes.
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Old 12-05-2018, 05:26 PM   #22
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For the same reason some buildings in Mexico are never completed, as it keeps them off the tax rolls.
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Old 12-06-2018, 07:36 AM   #23
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"For the same reason some buildings in Mexico are never completed, as it keeps them off the tax rolls."

A friend on our street built his own house (yes to code) and never finished it to call for a CO.

He is retired from the local power company so was able to keep power to the property .

Demanding a CO before letting the power co. connect is the usual lever to get buildings to have a CO, and be taxed as completed.

After 14 years the town came out and handed him a CO , to get the higher taxes, along with a note to finish handrails ,soon.

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I would also call him a crook!!


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It used to be a "thing" around here to see houses with no front steps. Just a door a few feet above grade. The story was the same, avoiding taxes by never finishing the house.

I think that's a thing of the past. They're much stricter with CE now.
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Mr. dj. "I would also call him a crook!!" I agree. Somewhat akin to those taking advantage of social programs. Bilking the "system", as it were.


What this has to do with the OP is anyone's guess.
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When a person who did not create "the system" uses the multiple flaws in the system , why is he at fault not the clowns that created the system.

Tax avoidance is legal, tax evasion is not.
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When a person who did not create "the system" uses the multiple flaws in the system , why is he at fault not the clowns that created the system.

Tax avoidance is legal, tax evasion is not.
I agree, absolutely. When the legislature leaves holes in the law that are big enough to drive a truck through, the person who takes advantage of those holes is not a "crook." They are just being smart.


Now, the real thievery here is usually on the part of the legislators. You don't think those holes in the law are there by accident, do you? Most of the time they put them there on purpose, to benefit themselves and the donors who have bought and paid for them.


They are the "crooks" here. Not the average guy who sees the hole and decides to use it.
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C'mon guys. The case described above is a guy who used his position with the power company to defraud the state/city/county of taxes. He also did not close out his building permit by requesting a final inspection and CO issuance as required by law.


I don't see how the law could be written any differently. He is a crook!!


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How in the heck did we get from "the shape of things to come" to Mr. FF's crooked neighbors?????


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How in the heck did we get from "the shape of things to come" to Mr. FF's crooked neighbors?????


First up,you take away OTDE. Then you observe that the conduct which led to OTDE`s closure migrating to HC.

Prediction options: moderate HC to comply with its preamble description,or watch it become the cesspit OTDE was. There may be other options.
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Mr. BK. I think HC has been progressing fairly well. Several very interesting discussions thus far. "A crying shame" has about 200 posts of opinions that are, on the whole, quite civil.

Music fav's and Humor most definitely need a place to live and it is refreshing to see the "tone" of the humor thread has changed, IMO, for the better.
Like any dock talk, the subjects are rarely 100% boats.
A final word on OTDE-Good riddance.
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Could not agree more, just like Cool Hand Luke I got my head together...at least on this forum.
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"The case described above is a guy who used his position with the power company to defraud the state/city/county of taxes."

Sorry , he used his knowledge ,not his position , to keep power to an second building that could supply power to the home.

"Knowledge is power" Francis Bacon

It would seem if well over a decade is required to follow up on ongoing construction , perhaps the local building dept might have their staff cut by 3/4 so actual productive work could be carried out?
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To get BACK to the OP and as a further comment to my post #7 (self aware AI)...


https://news.yahoo.com/deepmind-apos...190000147.html
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To get BACK to the OP and as a further comment to my post #7 (self aware AI)...


https://news.yahoo.com/deepmind-apos...190000147.html

The UN demands diesel and gasoline go away to save the planet.
Their solution is a carbon tax of $49 per gallon must be implemented in 12 years. And by 2100, $240 per gallon.

That will kill many people. And those Yellow Vests in France know that,

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckde.../#6c70bd1c632e

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If Paris streets burned over a proposed 25 cents per gallon climate change tax, imagine the global conflagration over a $49 per gallon tax.

That’s what a United Nations special climate report calls for in 12 years, with a carbon tax of $5,500 per ton—equal to $49 per gallon of gasoline or diesel. That’s about 100 times today’s average state and federal motor fuels tax.
And it goes up to $240 per gallon tax. This is what is angering the French against their EU world centered government.
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By 2100, the U.N. estimates that a carbon tax of $27,000 per ton is needed—$240 per gallon—to limit global warming to no more than 1.5 degrees Celsius.


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Here in America, Republicans in Congress passed a resolution against carbon taxes over the summer while Democrats embraced the concept in their party platform. Some incoming members of the new Democratic majority in the House are calling to create a select committee to map out a “Green New Deal” that would move the U.S. toward using 100% renewable energy for the electric grid while guaranteeing jobs for everyone.
That is nonsense and a bunch of idiot bureaucrats that will destroy the US.If the voters allow it.
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"That is nonsense and a bunch of idiot bureaucrats that will destroy the US.If the voters allow it."

Creating a problem , and adding to the problem with a "solution" is the road to power since politics started.


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More detailed info on this horrendous absurdity of the EU carbon pricing. Gasoline, diesel, Natural Gas

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/10/...rbon-tax-math/
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If that's what it costs to "save the planet" I'm all for it. Imhotep...Imhotep...Imhotep.
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