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Old 08-15-2012, 10:50 AM   #1
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Russian sub patrols Gulf of Mexico undetected

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Did a Russian sub patrol the Gulf of Mexico unbeknownst to US military? - National Homeland Security | Examiner.com
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:41 PM   #2
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Wouldn't have happened in "my" Navy.
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Old 08-15-2012, 02:05 PM   #3
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Possible BS due to DoD budget posturing?

Akula or Victor 3? FF, what say you?
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Old 08-15-2012, 02:31 PM   #4
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[QUOTE=BaltimoreLurker;98743]Possible BS due to DoD budget posturing?
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It is reported to be an Akula and since (if it was really there) it was not detected it provides a great reason to fight the proposed defense cuts.

We are lucky there wasn't a DDG around to run into the thing, we'd probably have another Tonkin Gulf thing.
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Old 08-15-2012, 03:25 PM   #5
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Russian vessels of all kinds are in the gulf & carribean all the time. Most we know about. I suspect a few, sub mostly, slip in without us noticing. I wonder how they found out about it, if it happened.

I wonder if this is SOP, to let them tinker around thinking that they're "undetected" (and they do that for us too). I mean otherwise we'd know that they knew what we think they don't know. It's a great game, why ruin it.

I think the "shock" of finding a sub in the gulf, that they probably knew was there all along, is more to influence the DOD budget #'s than it being an issue of national security.
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Old 08-15-2012, 07:39 PM   #6
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I spent many years flying around chasing subs in the Navy. If they want to be undetected... they will be.

Only at heightened alerts do we even try to prosecute every sub in near shore theaters.

The sad fact is they could strike the US any time they like... but then again... so can we (and in even greater numbers).
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Old 08-16-2012, 06:20 AM   #7
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The most likely threat is not the ancient Russian subs.

Any tramp steamer can launch near the Washington Boston mega area.

Any rented Lear jet can swoop to 45000ft or higher

Sure it needs to go 100 miles up for a total wipeout of all out computers .

But a nuke is a nuke so even just a 100 mile diameter wipeout would set us back by a great amount.

And of course the pulse goes UP as well as down , by by in view satelites .

Semaphore for the ATM machine?
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:21 AM   #8
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I'd be more worried about a 'dirty bomb' than any Russian sub. And as far as EMP and satellites, they're all hardened for EMI/EMP and would live through anything we would do down here. They live in a much tougher environment day to day than that.
A Russian sub being 'discovered' in the Gulf is a political play on both sides. There is no tactical reason to get yourself into the shallow, warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico (international water btw).
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:31 AM   #9
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I spent many years flying around chasing subs in the Navy. If they want to be undetected... they will be.

Not if CAC8 was hunting them and I was in SS2. Oh, wait, that was 1976. Maybe things have changed a bit since then.
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:43 AM   #10
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Greetings,
The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming. Probably my favorite movie of all time....
Or maybe they were Norwegians????
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Old 08-17-2012, 06:23 AM   #11
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No problem FINDING a nuke sub , the hassle is always KILLING the sub.

Much to quick for an entrapment circle ,.

Perhaps 3 choppers with dunking balls ?

Perhaps the new 200+ mph torpedos will do it ?

The worst thing a Russian sub can do in the GOM is break down , remember the KURSK?

Glowing nuke waste washing ashore on FL beaches ?
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:17 AM   #12
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So if this sub was undetected, why are we talking about it?
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"I mean otherwise we'd know that they knew what we think they don't know. It's a great game, why ruin it."

This takes us from RT's 'The Russians are coming' to Dr Stranglove, one of the greats.
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Old 08-25-2012, 06:41 AM   #14
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With the number of sunk and abandoned oil rigs in the GOM, it probably is a great training ground for collision avoidance.
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the home base for eight of America’s nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines......

SO?
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Old 09-19-2012, 05:47 AM   #16
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I was in SS2. Oh, wait, that was 1976. Maybe things have changed a bit since then.

Sp2H , P2V7 Neptune 1966 , things probably have changed .

The Crappy P3 and new Boeing cant realistically drop a nuke depth charge , with out loosing the crew .

Much UNFUN for the drivers!!
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