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psneeld
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Seriously?
PC IS about politics....but neither side. Even the Wikipedia definition of PC has become PC.
Like the old joke about pornography and you will know it when you see it...... The same for PC.
You probably think that being antiPC is like being a racist, a womanizer, etc, etc.
Nothing further than the truth...and maybe some of us are far more realistic about the whole thing.
THAT is the point..being realistic rather than reactionary. Being polite and kind were around long before PC and so was the Declaration of Independence.
PC IS about politics....but neither side. Even the Wikipedia definition of PC has become PC.
Like the old joke about pornography and you will know it when you see it...... The same for PC.
You probably think that being antiPC is like being a racist, a womanizer, etc, etc.
Nothing further than the truth...and maybe some of us are far more realistic about the whole thing.
THAT is the point..being realistic rather than reactionary. Being polite and kind were around long before PC and so was the Declaration of Independence.
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I think menzies was trying to have you explain what you feel it is since you have such strong feelings about it. I’d like to actually know exactly what you think it myself. My guess is that we may have different individual definitions and maybe that explains why there are disparate opinions on “PC”.
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Wifey B: The so called PC. Not using derogatory terms to refer to Gays, Blacks, Jews, Irish, Chinese, Women, and others? Is that what you anti-PC'ers are against? Should you be able to insult anyone and call anyone any name you wish? Is that acceptable in your minds?
My idea of PC is to show respect to all people and I'm 100% in favor of it.
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
"Love thy neighbor as thyself."
Are those radical new PC slogans? I thought they were hundreds, even thousands of years old.
Anyone notice that the persons most against PC are those attacking others most rudely and bullying oftentimes?
And PC isn't just about language. It's about respect and decency. It's about equality. And things are not fixed until we truly live in a world where we believe and live as "all persons are created equally." Oh and I do have no problem rewording that from the Declaration of Independence as I believe our founders put in today's world would do the same. Different times.
However, as we argue as if these things are new, think back to it.
If I use a term or phrase that is offensive to other groups of people, even if not my intent, then I want to be educated as to it's hurtfulness and I want to cease using it. Words do hurt. Why? Because often they are accompanied by a deeper attitude and because often they are reminders of attitudes, prejudice, bigotry, and hatred. Sometimes it's so very subtle. I knew a very large man, gentle and friendly, who his friends often would use phrases like "you big dummy" toward. He didn't want to make them uncomfortable so he didn't tell them how hurtful it was, how all his life he'd fought a belief by many that to be that large, he must be dumb. It even went back to grade school where he wasn't as smart as others his size. He wasn't because he was years younger than them. I was stereotyped by my father. That hurt but I survived and overcame it.
Our language is powerful and a tool for good or bad. We can use it to influence. We can use it to uplift others or to put them down. However, they aren't just words and thinking words can never hurt us is foolish and short sighted. They do hurt and the words we accept reflect far more. The language we use is a far deeper reflection on our society and values.
Now, none of this has anything to do with the museum. The vandalism was wrong. Changing the word was a decision reached by the museum and it's easy to argue either way. However, to use their decision as a crusade against all political correctness and elimination of offensive language is ludicrous. Language evolves as society should but often seems not to progress.
I personally don't like the term PC because it's an abbreviation for Politically Correct. There should be nothing political about polite language. It should be Respectfully Considerate or something of that nature. It's not politics. It's human kindness and decency. I'd be all for letting PC go back to just representing Personal Computer. However, I'm all for not using offensive terms in referring to groups of people.
You seem to turn a blind eye when PC is used to help subvert the laws of this country.
We have a term, "Illegal Alien" which refers to a person who has either broken the law to be in the USA or has overstayed the legal time they're allowed to be here. The government has used this term for a great deal of time to define an individual's legal status in this country. The PC crowd tells us we are cruel and hateful for referring to people in this way, even though they willfully broke and continue to break our laws. Further, the PC crowd (the minority) are attempting to force legal status for these people and shelter them from federal law enforcement. Sorry, the PC crowd isn't about respect and dignity (for their fellow Americans), they're about imposing their agenda on the majority.
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It all a moot point anyway: all the complainers will be dead and gone in not too many years. Those who are in their teens, twenties and thirties today will call boats any damn thing they like. Just as they are doing today........
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Do you other examples that aren't Dems Vs. Repubs??
dhay. After reading over 100 of these posts, I thank you for your reason and sensitivity. The term “old fart” or just plain fart, came to mind long before you so modestly offered it.
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My lord, what have I given birth to here? I see even Woodland Hills from post 2 has quietly been reading along.
How about we now introduce the grammar police and call out the teacher?
How about we now introduce the grammar police and call out the teacher?
Wifey B: Teacher guilty of typing error. You should edit it and take points off. Happens when one dictates into a computer and doesn't adequately proofread.
RT Firefly
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Greetings,
Mr. s2. Are you suggesting it (the teacher) made a mistake?
Mr. s2. Are you suggesting it (the teacher) made a mistake?
Not just "a" mistake; there are others but I suspect teacher has this little jem in the library:
https://www.amazon.ca/Little-Book-Big-Excuses/dp/1573243132
menzies
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She discussed grammar, you gave a spelling mistake.
Wifey B: Jem? Oh come now! Assuming you meant Gem. I've made lots of mistakes in my life. Also, no longer an active teacher. No regrets in life, mistakes and all.
Did you feel it was necessary to post this post twice?
Sounds like an interesting book. Thanks for telling me about it.
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That was a test, so far, several have passed and this is excuse #324.Jem?
It's an old Metis word found in stone, not on the interweb.
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Bein' a woke boat owner...er, guardian, I believe a vessel should have the right to pick of any one of the 62 (yes,62) available genders.
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Then get over it. You made your point. Politicized repetition is unhelpful. Try talking about boats.
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This post was in direct response to a post by another poster. See Post 108. Perhaps you should mind your own.
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menzies
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What boat do you currently own and what are your cruising grounds?
menzies
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Why don't we let him answer for himself.
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Mikala, TF is a community. Be rude to a member or a group, a response may come from anywhere.
Do you really think "Harbour Chat', general discussion in the boating community of matters not precisely boating but related,extends to you pushing your politics? I don`t think so. Why not make the effort to follow the pivotal ethos of TF, to "be nice". A gratuitous listing of flags that offend you for what you perceive they represent is beyond the pale .
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Mikala, no need to accept my attempt to articulate the scope of Harbor Chat.
Better to observe the Moderator`s summary:
"Friendly, professional, informal exchange of "NON-boating" topics. Political comments, weaponry and religious discussions are off-limits in this forum."
Better to observe the Moderator`s summary:
"Friendly, professional, informal exchange of "NON-boating" topics. Political comments, weaponry and religious discussions are off-limits in this forum."
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Quite often it's a 'stalking horse' used by the bigots to try and make those with a more open-minded approach to decency look bad.
Usually because they're fearful (often old, but not always) bigots afraid of change. They feel anything that disrupts their limited worldview needs to be disparaged. Just look at the responses here. All kinds of insults, but little understanding of how those rejecting past bigoted viewpoints have suffered because of them. No, instead we'll just call them silly or insult those that would defend them. How does this help anyone? Is your worldview so fragile that you can't begin to understand how making little changes like this goes a long way toward helping others? Nope, let's just stick with "how it's always been done".
psneeld
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Sorry but many of the antiPC types as the other "afraid" group would call them aren't afraid to change...it's the "why" of the change that scares them.
Another topic where I think the definition of PC is so broad, sides are taken when there is more agreement than disagreement.
Another topic where I think the definition of PC is so broad, sides are taken when there is more agreement than disagreement.
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