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Old 01-06-2014, 06:53 AM   #21
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It's very hard to draw the line.

A time limit works very well.

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One SSCA cruisers marina had a sliding scale 3 days were cheap, the next 3 cost 50% more after that it was REALLY expensive ,
unless the boat was hauled with the Yard working on it.
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Old 01-07-2014, 07:34 AM   #22
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SV Primadonna, aground at Booby Island in the Bahamas. It is a tiny island of 300, not normally on tourist / cruiser lists. Apparently the vessel & crew entered the Bahamas without checking in with authorities. Pat Stockwell tells TownDock.net he was told the Primadonna crew may have been arrested – Bahamian authorities are harsher about the rules than they are in the USA. The photo was taken from a US Coast Guard helicopter – the Coast Guard patrols the Bahamas as part of a cooperation agreement with the Bahamas to fight drug trafficking.
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Old 01-07-2014, 07:50 AM   #23
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FOUND THEM! SV Primadonna, aground at Booby Island in the Bahamas. It is a tiny island of 300, not normally on tourist / cruiser lists. Apparently the vessel & crew entered the Bahamas without checking in with authorities. Pat Stockwell tells TownDock.net he was told the Primadonna crew may have been arrested &ndash; Bahamian authorities are harsher about the rules than they are in the USA. The photo was taken from a US Coast Guard helicopter &ndash; the Coast Guard patrols the Bahamas as part of a cooperation agreement with the Bahamas to fight drug trafficking.
Ooooooo, there going be in some deep crap. Both Bahamian and CG authorities, they got some explaining to do!
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Old 01-07-2014, 04:10 PM   #24
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why does he have to check in if they don't get off the boat,and anchor just for the night
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Good post, Tom. I had been wondering what happened with them. Now we know. Thanks.
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Old 01-07-2014, 04:44 PM   #26
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why does he have to check in if they don't get off the boat,and anchor just for the night


Bahamas Ports of Entry

Travelers coming into the islands can enter through any of the following ports, listed by island or island group within The Bahamas.



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Old 01-07-2014, 05:00 PM   #27
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Well, I don't guess they, he anyway, are deserving of much compassion. They'll have a hard time finding someone over there to accept a bogus check, even with a sad story.
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Well, I don't guess they, he anyway, are deserving of much compassion. They'll have a hard time finding someone over there to accept a bogus check, even with a sad story.
Can't really say as I have a whole lot of compassion for them. When we (my wife and I) were cruising on the sailboat, we met an awful lot of people who were living very close to the edge, financially. But most of them were very decent people who had just made a decision that they were going to cruise while they were still relatively young, and then would go home, full of experiences and adventures, and begin the daily grind. Others were just complete bums, though, borrowing stuff (forget about it being returned!), stealing stuff from other boats while the owners were away, and really just bottom feeders. (Not to speak of the singlehanding alcoholics -- I actually can find compassion for them, I suppose).

Anyway, in my view, these are bottom feeders, and deserving of nothing other than scorn.
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Would love to know the real story...if this guy had a nice pension from a company or agency in France and they left him out to dry as sometimes happens...

You go from being an affluent cruiser to bottom feeder pretty quick.

With all the talk of military pensions on the chopping block...not sure where I would wind up "in the cruising community" if my pension dried up overnight.

Funny what survival instinct will do to a person....I just hope my morals are never tested to the basic instinct level....and he has a wife to worry about.

Can't necessarily forgive his actions...but maybe they become a lot more understandable with all the facts out in the open.
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Talked to someone close to the case tonight. Word is that he is considered a "fugitive from justice" by the Bahamian Government and he'll probably stay in jail there for quite some time. Will find out more this weekend.

In other news: Bradly Finn, the former military guy with the Pepito-Bismol pink boat died a couple of weeks ago. He was another one of the 4 boats taking harbor space in Oriental. When his father was in Oriental picking up his son's ashes, wouldn't comment on what will happen to his boat. Can't say I blame him for that... But the boat still sits there. No telling how long it will sit.

This is not an official news story... I just talked to a guy that has an inside track.
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Talked to someone close to the case tonight. Word is that he is considered a "fugitive from justice" by the Bahamian Government and he'll probably stay in jail there for quite some time. Will find out more this weekend.

In other news: Bradly Finn, the former military guy with the Pepito-Bismol pink boat died a couple of weeks ago. He was another one of the 4 boats taking harbor space in Oriental. When his father was in Oriental picking up his son's ashes, wouldn't comment on what will happen to his boat. Can't say I blame him for that... But the boat still sits there. No telling how long it will sit.

This is not an official news story... I just talked to a guy that has an inside track.

Thanks for the update

...again I would love to know back to the point whether this guy got left high ad dry by some entity back in France or he really is just a knucklehead.

To go from "decent cruiser" to fugitive in jail from the few bits of the story I've heard reads like part of a paperback novel.
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Old 01-09-2014, 11:21 AM   #32
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The French pensioner doesn't have to worry about being the victim of a boardroom pension scam ... that is the weapon of the American executive class.

Boeing's hollow victory - latimes.com

They had a revolution that pretty much put an end to what we are now seeing as "the new normal" for our own shrinking middle class.
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Old 01-09-2014, 05:12 PM   #33
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We met a young couple with 3 kids on the Columbia last year that spent the winter on the river in a steel Sailboat. They would stay at a marine park for the limit, then law enforcement would move them. They told us they had bought the boat in LA and was heading to Ketchikan AK. Not sure what happen to them.

In the Portland OR area they have restricted squatters anchoring in the river to a 7-day stay, then they must move at least 5 miles.
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Old 01-10-2014, 08:49 AM   #34
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Talked to someone close to the case tonight. Word is that he is considered a "fugitive from justice" by the Bahamian Government and he'll probably stay in jail there for quite some time. Will find out more this weekend.
I imagine the Bahamian government has seen more than one of his type before. Under due process, they'll likely try to find out where he (they) belong, confiscate and auction the boat, and use the proceeds to deport them.

(Is that too logical? Maybe another process at play, but seems to be the sensible path)
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Old 02-20-2014, 10:16 AM   #35
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I've never understood why if you abandon a car on the highway it gets towed within a day or two but you can abandon a boat in the town harbor and nobody is willing or able to get rid of it. It doesn't make sense to me.
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Historically it's been 2 reasons...the law prevented it in many places compared to declaring a car abandoned and the cost of removal against it's worth at a junkyard.

More and more states are passing legislation making the removal of abandoned boats easier.
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Don't know about ICW Pirates but we did come across this pirate ship in the Grand Lucayan Canal on Grand Bahama a few years back.
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Old 02-21-2014, 11:05 AM   #38
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Here in the Port of Los Angeles, they will crush boats for free and have been for several years. The marinas place a lien against abandoned boats, take possession and give it to POLA for crushing. It has cleaned up many a scow and now we have better looking boats in the marinas.

It's funded by the port I think.
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Here in the Port of Los Angeles, they will crush boats for free and have been for several years. The marinas place a lien against abandoned boats, take possession and give it to POLA for crushing. It has cleaned up many a scow and now we have better looking boats in the marinas.

It's funded by the port I think.
If a boat is in a marina and owes slip fees or anything, the marina can place a lien on the boat and do what they want with it (after some legal issues).

I don't think its that cut and dry with boats anchored or even if they've drifted onto shore. There are four sailboats and one cruiser anchored near my marina. The cruiser broke free and is in the marsh. One sailboat was anchored (or drifted) right outside the marina and the marina could find nobody to do anything about it. The owner owes two different marinas but this boat was anchored (more or less). Finally, it broke free and drifted into the marsh. The owner came and moved it downstream and anchored it again.

The law either can't or won't do anything about these boats.

BTW: No anchor lights and no anchor balls.
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I have a lot of sympathy for these boats. Vancouver has cleaned up False Creek by clearing out the "homesteaders" but I decry the uniformity, the regimentation and the boring conformity.

When I was a kid it was possible to build a float house and live on it, many float homes built on giant cedar logs. It spoke to me of a freedom that no longer exists. Now to live on a boat in our harbours takes money for the fees the city gouges out of you, and there are only a very few liveaboard slips.

Society never likes outliers or eccentrics or people just going their own way because they don't drive their kids to school in SUVs and they're not predictable.

I think it's our loss.
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