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Old 07-07-2014, 06:22 PM   #21
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THD A pet peeve of mine as well. They have those here now 1000K inland on the great lakes and inland waterways. Started out as "normal" patrol boats with normally armed officers, they have since graduated to actual armored gunships, full battle dress and armed beyond any semblance of common sense or reality. They are reminicent of the PT boats from WW2, next I expect to see anti-submarine mines stacked on deck. It's all gone way past the point of absurdity.
We have just got to fortify the northern boarder. Mexicans may try to come over, you know.
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Old 07-07-2014, 06:30 PM   #22
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We have just got to fortify the northern boarder...
Dang, you're gonna FEED them? <grin>
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Old 07-07-2014, 07:48 PM   #23
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City police shooing off a boat which had approached our ship too close.

Wow! How did they manage it without a machine gun!
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Old 07-07-2014, 09:07 PM   #24
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I agree its not the same America that we grew up in. The world has become a more dangerous place. As far as the USCG having Blue Uniforms, Sidearms and 50 Cal Rifles at the ready consider their mission. Gone are the days of the Revenue Cutters collecting tariffs. Todays Coast Guard has a much larger mission in scope and operation.
"The U. S. Coast Guard is simultaneously and at all times a military force and federal law enforcement agency dedicated to safety, security, and stewardship missions. We save lives. We protect the environment. We defend the homeland. We enforce Federal laws on the high seas, the nation's coastal waters and its inland waterways. We are unique in the Nation and the world."
It appears some here would rather have the USCG operate without the evil "Machine Gun" but I don't know what credible threats those men and women in blue uniforms are responding to or training for. I would rather they be prepared for anything and everything and this taxpayer is OK with that.
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Old 07-08-2014, 01:14 AM   #25
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Wow! How did they manage it without a machine gun!
Loudspeaker (but of course they were also equipped with firearms, ticket book, and handcuffs.)
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Old 07-08-2014, 01:18 AM   #26
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It appears some here would rather have the USCG operate without the evil "Machine Gun" but I don't know what credible threats those men and women in blue uniforms are responding to or training for. I would rather they be prepared for anything and everything and this taxpayer is OK with that.
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Machine guns are neat if not pointed at me. ... I feel safer around law-abiding people with firearms.
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Old 07-08-2014, 01:35 AM   #27
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Does anyone not remember or know about the USS Cole terrorist attack?
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Old 07-08-2014, 01:38 AM   #28
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Does anyone not remember or know about the USS Cole terrorist attack?
Yes, but how is that relevant to this thread?
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Old 07-08-2014, 01:44 AM   #29
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Yes, but how is that relevant to this thread?

A little pleasure boat (could be anyone) packed with explosives was run into a ship.


That very well could happen in this situation. So the CG be there they would be able to respond and neutralize the threat.
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Old 07-08-2014, 02:01 AM   #30
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A little pleasure boat (could be anyone) packed with explosives was run into a ship.

That very well could happen in this situation. So the CG be there they would be able to respond and neutralize the threat.
Let's put aside the fact that the Cole incident happened halfway around the world for a moment.
Do you really think that a rubber boat manned with kids and a machine gun could pick out a terrorist boat and it's intended target in a crowded harbor (also assuming they were in the same harbor) and actually stop it from blowing up? Seriously?

I'm not ant gun. I just think that a CG RIB with a machine gun on it in areas infested with hippies and baby boomers is over the top.

This may not be the case in Florida or near the Mexican border where there is drug and human trafficking.
If I'm wrong (i am a self admitted jackass) I'd like to hear of a case in a similar area where 'machine guns' were needed to enforce the law.
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I agree its not the same America that we grew up in. The world has become a more dangerous place.

Some places in the world are more dangerous than 50 years ago. America is not one of those places. We're much safer now than any period in my lifetime.
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I doubt we're any safer than before. The dangers are different, and they often times come from within.

And if I were a terrorist, I'd pick out the least suspicious place to cause trouble. A place full of hippies and baby boomers, and bikini clad (or clad-less) starlets. Expect the unexpected where you least expect it.
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I doubt we're any safer than before. The dangers are different, and they often times come from within.

The CDC disagrees.

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BL, I'm not sure that using figures from the CDC, which compares death rates from diseases) is appropriate to a discussion of terrorist threats.

The danger to many comes not from terrorists, but from people in your own community, and gun control is not the answer as we saw in Chicago this past holiday weekend. Thirteen people were killed and 58 wounded in Chicago from gun violence.

And those numbers are from a city that is among the strictest in the nation on gun ownership. Yet Rahm Emanuel, everyone's favorite mayor, in a speech on 7/7 spoke out in favor of more gun control.

So Rahm, what are you going to do for more gun control. C'mon Man, it's already against the law to shoot people. Do you think the shooters are not going to stop shooting each other because of some new gun law? Get Real Rahm. Throw those azzholes in jail, don't just pat 'em on the fanny and send 'em home.
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I believe the Ted Nugent theory of "gun control" is to hit your intended target every time.
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Mike/GFC - I agree that the CDC figures are for total deaths, not just terrorist related. But they do convey the fact that you're safer now in America than in any time in a long while. I'm tired of the fear industry.

Since 9/11 the death by terrorists in America is even more telling, I think the number is somewhere around zero. Prior to that single day, I think the deaths by terrorists in America were also around zero for a long, long time - except OK City and World Trade Center I in '93.

We could call Timothy McVeigh a terrorist. The Blind Sheik certainly is. But I'm not sure that our militarized LEOs would have prevented those attacks. Maybe more situational awareness is called for. But again, no amount of automatic weapons, MRAPS, and tooled up LEOs would have prevented what really was an intel failure. We didn't lose a gun fight with terrorists. Same for 9/11.

But I'm with you on personal responsibility for your own safety and have taken measures to ensure I'm not defenseless; .22, 7mm, 9mm, .223 ... only lacking either the 12 or 20 gauge.
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Do you really think that a rubber boat manned with kids and a machine gun
I don't think they'd appreciate being referred to as "kids". They are not. They have serious, and sometimes, extremely dangerous jobs and I'm glad they're out there with arms.

They may be younger than you, but anyone in the military cannot still be considered a "kid".
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A place full of hippies and baby boomers, and bikini clad (or clad-less) starlets. Expect the unexpected where you least expect it.

Exact point.
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